What is Saber Scabbard?

limestone1863

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Hi I have following scabbard that came with a M1860 Cavalry saber. Would like input on what it is. Looks like a Artillery scabbard or is it a replica? It is 36 1/2" long and looks like it might have been cleaned or white with some old rust pitting. Any help would be appreciated.
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The photos are very hard to see. Check the drag and see if there are any markings on it.
 
It looks like a repro to me. I have an original M1840 "Wristbreaker" and scabbard. On mine the throat is not just a flared section like that. It has a separate stout metal insert held in with a screw with a triangular shaped opening to receive the blade. This keeps the blade from rattling around and prevents the throat from getting crushed and split like the one in your pic.

Not an expert here but my nephew has a repop with the same flared throat section. Sorry I don't have saber on hand to take measurements or send pix...
 
The model 1860 had a one piece scabbard with no throat insert but from the photos its hard to see. The arty sword scabbard and a bigger curve in the scabbard then the 1860.
 
The model 1860 had a one piece scabbard with no throat insert but from the photos its hard to see. The arty sword scabbard and a bigger curve in the scabbard then the 1860.
The more I look at a photo of a M1840 Light Artillery Scabbard, the more mine looks like it.
 
If you slide the sword into the scabbard do you feel any resistance? Post a photo of the sword and the scabbard next to each other like this one from my personnel collection.
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Hi I have following scabbard that came with a M1860 Cavalry saber. Would like input on what it is. Looks like a Artillery scabbard or is it a replica? It is 36 1/2" long and looks like it might have been cleaned or white with some old rust pitting. Any help would be appreciated.View attachment 354169View attachment 354170View attachment 354171View attachment 354173View attachment 354174

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Is the throat a separate piece or one with the scabbard?
 
Sorry that I have not yet learned to attach links yet, but in this forum on 4/2/3013 there is a post titled "1840 Wristbreaker Cavalry Sword". Scabbard pictured there is similar. One respondent points out that Thillmann's book shows an unmarked English import 1840 with a similar scabbard, as well as a saber sold by Tomes, Son & Melvain. Looks a variety of an imported 1840 cavalry sword.
 
Sorry that I have not yet learned to attach links yet, but in this forum on 4/2/3013 there is a post titled "1840 Wristbreaker Cavalry Sword". Scabbard pictured there is similar. One respondent points out that Thillmann's book shows an unmarked English import 1840 with a similar scabbard, as well as a saber sold by Tomes, Son & Melvain. Looks a variety of an imported 1840 cavalry sword.
Sorry, that should obviously be 4/2/2013.
 
I'm leaning repop as it is way to sloppy and way to thick.
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Now that I am home and can: 1) reference my Thillmann book and: 2) look at the photos on my computer as opposed to furtively checking my phone at work, I can make the following comments. While similar to the Tomes , Son & Melvain throat in that it a trumpet style throat piece, there is a noticeable difference. On the one retailed by Tomes, there is no question that the throat is a distinct piece. And on the unmarked English saber reported in the 2013 post, the scabbard with trumpet throat is actually for a British 1853 style saber with a straighter blade and thus the shape of the scabbard is different, so neither of these do support this scabbard being original. However, the scabbard pictured here by Limestone 1863 does match that one posted in 2013 exactly. Not being a reenactor, I do not know what the reproduction scabbards look like. I still have a concern about how easily the throat was broken, and now I can see the split in the carrying ring, which are usually brazed solid. While the one in 2013 was declared as likely original, that may not be the case. I am leaning towards both likely being reproductions until someone comes up with more exact and definitely original example.
 

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