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[Mississippian1861]

The crossed sabers on the hat looks like the earlier "dragoon" style rather than the more familiar version.

 

[Trooper "D"]

The crossed sabers on the hat looks like the earlier "dragoon" style rather than the more familiar version.

Is that what they are? False Embroidered Officers crossed sabers are like that or are they the same thing. Infantry and Artillery also have Faux Embroidered brass emblems for officers. I noticed the California Column Cavalry used those "Dragoon" style ones as well one their forage caps.
I get so confused by the many styles of everything with the army and navy of the period.
Cheers!

 

[tmorr]

Is that what they are? False Embroidered Officers crossed sabers are like that or are they the same thing. Infantry and Artillery also have Faux Embroidered brass emblems for officers. I noticed the California Column Cavalry used those "Dragoon" style ones as well one their forage caps.
I get so confused by the many styles of everything with the army and navy of the period.
Cheers!

Might very well be a dragoon insignia - The 15th Penn Cav was a unique group all around, initially known as The Anderson Troop, they were recruited as bodyguards/escorts from upper echelons of Philadelphia society. They were a well dressed, dandy bunch . Their distinctive uniform jackets were part of their esprit de corps, and their early and varied headgear were part of it too. You see pics of all manner of caps and hats in early war images with various adaptations of hat brass, insignia, company letters, plumes, etc.

Once they went to full regimental strength in the summer/fall of '62 things changed a little - they stuck with the cool jackets well into late '64 (and possibly longer), ditched their dark blue trousers and the headgear became more standardized with forge caps and Hardee/slouches being dominant in images.

 

[Trooper "D"]

Might very well be a dragoon insignia - The 15th Penn Cav was a unique group all around, initially known as The Anderson Troop, they were recruited as bodyguards/escorts from upper echelons of Philadelphia society. They were a well dressed, dandy bunch . Their distinctive uniform jackets were part of their esprit de corps, and their early and varied headgear were part of it too. You see pics of all manner of caps and hats in early war images with various adaptations of hat brass, insignia, company letters, plumes, etc.

Once they went to full regimental strength in the summer/fall of '62 things changed a little - they stuck with the cool jackets well into late '64 (and possibly longer), ditched their dark blue trousers and the headgear became more standardized with forge caps and Hardee/slouches being dominant in images.

Maybe the Officer's ones are just gold plated or something. I've got a repro of two styles of faux embroidered sabers. One is a very small cap patch sized one of the standard dimensions. There are too types of stamped brass full size sabers as well. Enlisted Infantry horns have two styles also plus the small faux embroidered officer's style. Not up on Artillery brass though I have one around somewhere and I know there is faux embroidered smaller ones as well.
Cheers!

 

[Rhea Cole]

I have a15th PA Cavalry citation in my Nashville 1862 Christmas folder.

Officers 15th Pennsylvania Cavalry at Chattanooga TN. LCC

Circa 1863 the 15th had donned typical Army of the Cumberland headgear.

Link:

The 15th Pennsylvania Cavalry’s 1862 “Christmas foraging expedition”

On the outskirts of Nashville, Tennessee, the troopers of the 15th Pennsylvania Cavalry experienced a memorable Christmas holiday.

www.penncivilwar.com

 

[Rhea Cole]

Is that what they are? False Embroidered Officers crossed sabers are like that or are they the same thing. Infantry and Artillery also have Faux Embroidered brass emblems for officers. I noticed the California Column Cavalry used those "Dragoon" style ones as well one their forage caps.
I get so confused by the many styles of everything with the army and navy of the period.
Cheers!

Embroidered hat badges / Legendary Arms

 

[Rhea Cole]

Might very well be a dragoon insignia - The 15th Penn Cav was a unique group all around, initially known as The Anderson Troop, they were recruited as bodyguards/escorts from upper echelons of Philadelphia society. They were a well dressed, dandy bunch . Their distinctive uniform jackets were part of their esprit de corps, and their early and varied headgear were part of it too. You see pics of all manner of caps and hats in early war images with various adaptations of hat brass, insignia, company letters, plumes, etc.

Once they went to full regimental strength in the summer/fall of '62 things changed a little - they stuck with the cool jackets well into late '64 (and possibly longer), ditched their dark blue trousers and the headgear became more standardized with forge caps and Hardee/slouches being dominant in images.

The dragoon insignia was an edge down 180 degree version of the cavalry edge upward symbol. Dragoons were disbanded in 1860 & became cavalry regiments.

Link:

History of U.S. Cavalry Insignia

Evolution of U.S. Cavalry Insignia

hglanham.tripod.com

 

[Mississippian1861]

The dragoon insignia was an edge down 180 degree version of the cavalry edge upward symbol. Dragoons were disbanded in 1860 & became cavalry regiments.

Link:

History of U.S. Cavalry Insignia

Evolution of U.S. Cavalry Insignia

hglanham.tripod.com

It was August 1861 when the Dragoons and the Regiment of Mounted Rifles became Cavalry regiments, with the 1st & 2nd Dragoons becoming the 1st and 2nd Cavalry, the Regiment of Mounted Rifles becoming the 3rd Cavalry, and the prewar 1st and 2nd Cavalry becoming the 4th and 5th Cavalry. The newly raised 3rd Cavalry became the 6th Cavalry.

 

[1SGDan]

Sorry wrong thread

 

[CSuniforms]

Great photo and great text again! Tom

 

[Package4]

Does anyone know what hat this soldier is wearing? The soldier is Joseph Haines of the 33rd Illinois Infantry. View attachment 557747