Uniforms What Hat Is This?

[Homeschooler]

Does anyone know what hat this soldier is wearing? The soldier is Joseph Haines of the 33rd Illinois Infantry.

 

[Grayrock Volunteer]

It appears to be a Pascal Patent Hat. His musket looks like it's an Austrian M1842 still in its original tube-lock configuration. Very neat image.

 

[Homeschooler]

It appears to be a Pascal Patent Hat. His musket looks like it's an Austruan M1842 still in its original tube-lock configuration. Very neat image.

Thanks for the info. I looked up the the hat and google says it was issued to Pennsylvania cavalry soldiers. I wonder how he would've been issued the hat.

 

[tmorr]

I believe some members of the 15th Pennsylvania Cavalry had these, or very similar, hats early in the war.

 

[RedRover]

Thanks for the info. I looked up the the hat and google says it was issued to Pennsylvania cavalry soldiers. I wonder how he would've been issued the hat.

His hat certainly appears to be of the Pascal patent type. They were sold nation wide to who ever would buy them.

They weren't required by regulations by any particular State or unit. Just something sold for military use, and relatively quickly forgotten.

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[Rhea Cole]

I believe some members of the 15th Pennsylvania Cavalry had these, or very similar, hats early in the war.

He has the infantry hunting horn emblem on his hat.

 

[tmorr]

He has the infantry hunting horn emblem on his hat.

What's your point? I didn't say the infantryman was a cavalryman. I was backing up an earlier comment that some Penn cavalry units may have had them. Here's what appears to be a Pascal with crossed sabers….

 

[Rhea Cole]

What's your point? I didn't say the infantryman was a cavalryman. I was backing up an earlier comment that some Penn cavalry units may have had them. Here's what appears to be a Pascal with crossed sabers….

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I did not say you did. There are a members who are not very knowledgeable. Posting the above example would have been appropriate ¿no?

I had never seen a photo or heard of this hat before. Am always looking for something new to discover. Hat origami, who knew?

 

[Don Dixon]

His musket looks like it's an Austrian M1842 still in its original tube-lock configuration.

The 33rd Illinois was initially armed with Muster 1842 System Augustin smoothbore muskets in the original tubelock configuration.

 

[Trooper "D"]

Does anyone know what hat this soldier is wearing? The soldier is Joseph Haines of the 33rd Illinois Infantry. View attachment 557747

The rifle is more interesting.

 

[Trooper "D"]

What's your point? I didn't say the infantryman was a cavalryman. I was backing up an earlier comment that some Penn cavalry units may have had them. Here's what appears to be a Pascal with crossed sabers….

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I like this guy's belt knife. The saber's mini me.

 

[Story]

I did not say you did. There are a members who are not very knowledgeable. Posting the above example would have been appropriate ¿no?

I had never seen a photo or heard of this hat before. Am always looking for something new to discover. Hat origami, who knew?

I too thought your retort came across as a neener-neenerism. An "oops, sorry about that" might be worth editing into your post above.

 

[Rhea Cole]

I too thought your retort came across as a neener-neenerism. An "oops, sorry about that" might be worth editing into your post above.

A plain statement of fact is devoid of malicious intent. Perhaps a review of my posts will disabuse you of any impression that I indulge in ad hominem attacks. My intent is exactly as stated. The second photo was informative & illustrative of the statement being made. A good image really is worth a thousand words.

 

[Trooper "D"]

What's your point? I didn't say the infantryman was a cavalryman. I was backing up an earlier comment that some Penn cavalry units may have had them. Here's what appears to be a Pascal with crossed sabers….

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Does he actually have a plume in that folding mop bucket of a cap?

 

[Rhea Cole]

Does he actually have a plume in that folding mop bucket of a cap?

When you zoom in on it there is a feather, tassels & ordinal pin… the full monte early war kit.

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[Trooper "D"]

When you zoom in on it there is a feather, tassels & ordinal pin… the full monte early war kit.

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Yes I understand.
I only have my phone screen so I can't enlarge very large and brightness adjustments are beyond my steam era abilities. Thanks for clueing me in. I imagine with all that finery it might look less mop bucketish.
Cheers!

 

[Rusk County Avengers]

I'm more interested in the unaltered tube-lock!

Don't see that in images almost at all.

 

[Rhea Cole]

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[Trooper "D"]

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Nice touch.

 

[Rhea Cole]

I'm more interested in the unaltered tube-lock!

Don't see that in images almost at all.

Link:

Ferdi Furwith Tube Lock Percussion Rifle

The tube lock was another novelty for me. A surprising & interesting story about its invention.