HF Westerns

[Sheltowee]

Watching Chisum at this moment.

 

[Pollaco]

James Cagney and Humphrey Bogart in "The Oklahoma Kid"

 

[Pollaco]

The sound of a gun being fired is dubbed in. Has anyone noticed the similarity in the Lone Ranger's revolver and The Rifleman's gun?Maybe they both used 44.40s.To me they sound very similar. Also in the opening scene of the Rifleman, I think Lucas McCain rapidly fires off 13 shots, the gun only held 12. The number of shots I'm not real sure of, I can't count that fast.

 

[Cavalier]

@archieclement I imagine that would be true of most modern movies too. I almost never watch any modern movies so I can only guess at that.

John

 

[Pollaco]

Watching True Grit on TV tonight, the original. It's not my first choice but it's fair entertainment .

 

[midnitelamp]

Off topic but since Green Berets has been mentioned I would like to recommend the Burt Lancaster picture "Go Tell the Spartans" based on the novel Incident at Muc Wa. I think it is the consummate Vietnam War movie .

 

[carptrash]

May be "The savage" 1952, but he plays a white youth, raised by injuns.

Yes, my mistake. That's the film.

 

[carptrash]

Hmmmm.....honestly don't see a big issue as it's entertainment.

It's not a big issue. The history of Hollywood is filled with such things, unfortunately.

 

[archieclement]

It's not a big issue. The history of Hollywood is filled with such things, unfortunately.

It's entertainment, whether Ricardo Montablan playing a Indian on Gunsmoke/Bonanza, Forrester playing Blue Duck in Lonesome Dove, or Depp as Tonto in Lone Ranger didn't take away from shows/movies.

Neither were Tom Selleck and Sam Elliot really brothers ........though Long Riders be up someone's alley if they obsess over such. As it went as far as having 3 groups of real life brothers, playing historical brothers.

Keach's playing James's
Caradine's playing Youngers
Quads's playing Millers

Besides historically race would been tricky thing as certainly metis/half breeds existed. Racial intermingling wasn't that uncommon.

 

[MAJOR DUNDEE]

Off topic but since Green Berets has been mentioned I would like to recommend the Burt Lancaster picture "Go Tell the Spartans" based on the novel Incident at Muc Wa. I think it is the consummate Vietnam War movie .

I love them both, (even if "The green berets" are mostly joked today and were hated back in the 60's ; but it's unfair, this film is maybe the closest one to "Objective Burma" or other WW2 film, it's a war movie contemporary to the conflict it depicts).

About the second, I've never understood why in "Go tell the Spartans" the U.S military personnel uses WW2 weapons, instead of the actual rifle of the US at that time (1964), I mean the M-14 rifle , they furnish some WW2 surplus to they local allies, but do themselves use these old weapons (Lancaster uses that ugly grease gun for example)...it's even more innacurate when you think that the M-14 was soon to be replaced -next year in fact- by the famed M-16.

 

[carptrash]

About the second, I've never understood why in "Go tell the Spartans" the U.S military personnel uses WW2 weapons, instead of the actual rifle of the US at that time (1964), I mean the M-14 rifle ,

I assume (and we know about those) that it had to do with what the studio had lying around.

 

[TallTallMan]

The sound of a gun being fired is dubbed in. Has anyone noticed the similarity in the Lone Ranger's revolver and The Rifleman's gun?Maybe they both used 44.40s.To me they sound very similar. Also in the opening scene of the Rifleman, I think Lucas McCain rapidly fires off 13 shots, the gun only held 12. The number of shots I'm not real sure of, I can't count that fast.

Realism:

 

[TallTallMan]

Started The Shadow Riders with my dad last night. Really good. Since the CW plays heavily into the plot, I'm sure many of you are familar with it. Sam Eliot is the manliest dude living. I love its Country soundtrack.

It's a TV movie from 1982, and is a lot better than the fake TV Westerns on at that time, like Little House on the Prairie--which is just a soap opera full of anacronistic attitudes and bad hair, pretending its about the frontier.

 

[MAJOR DUNDEE]

I've seen recently the fastest Winchester shooting from Brian Keith in "Fort Dobbs" (Gordon Douglas 1958), a rapid fire to save Clint Walker surrounded by Comanches and only defending with a model 73 Colt.
Low budgeted film but very efficient.

Fort Dobbs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MAJOR DUNDEE]

Started The Shadow Riders with my dad last night. Really good. Since the CW plays heavily into the plot, I'm sure many of you are familar with it. Sam Eliot is the manliest dude living. I love its Country soundtrack.

It's a TV movie from 1982, and is a lot better than the fake TV Westerns on at that time, like Little House on the Prairie--which is just a soap opera full of anacronistic attitudes and bad hair, pretending its about the frontier.

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Always thougted "Little house on the prairie" was about Wisconsin/Minnesota or something...It might have been filmed in California like often.

 

[TallTallMan]

I've seen recently the fastest Winchester shooting from Brian Keith in "Fort Dobbs" (Gordon Douglas 1958), a rapid fire to save Clint Walker surrounded by Comanches and only defending with a model 73 Colt.
Low budgeted film but very efficient.

Fort Dobbs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

High Noon was low budget, so probably no probs here!

Always thougted "Little house on the prairie" was about Wisconsin/Minnesota or something...It might have been filmed in California like often.

This technically is West, but its a faux Western.

 

[midnitelamp]

I love them both, (even if "The green berets" are mostly joked today and were hated back in the 60's ; but it's unfair, this film is maybe the closest one to "Objective Burma" or other WW2 film, it's a war movie contemporary to the conflict it depicts).

About the second, I've never understood why in "Go tell the Spartans" the U.S military personnel uses WW2 weapons, instead of the actual rifle of the US at that time (1964), I mean the M-14 rifle , they furnish some WW2 surplus to they local allies, but do themselves use these old weapons (Lancaster uses that ugly grease gun for example)...it's even more innacurate when you think that the M-14 was soon to be replaced -next year in fact- by the famed M-16.

The movie was set in 1964. Stil M-14s and Grease Guns which were favorites of the LRRPs.

 

[archieclement]

Always thougted "Little house on the prairie" was about Wisconsin/Minnesota or something...It might have been filmed in California like often.

It would have been pretty much western frontier for period.

Realisticly Laura/Nelly spats probally more realistic and common then most western movie gunfights

 

[GELongstreet]

Crossing over the ocean to Australo-Westerns with a connection to the civil war there'd be The Legend of Ben Hall from 2016. The bushranger film is set in the early 60s and the war is mentioned, with characters discussing migrating.

Without any connection I remember (set in the 80s) but still a great film of the genre would be The Proposition from 2005. Quite awesome though both brutal, bleak and a bit artsy.

Back in the US awesome, bleak and a bit artsy would also fit McCabe & Mrs. Miller from 1971. True for quite a few Anti-Western.

 

[Pollaco]

White actors playing Indians? How about both Ted Cassidy (Hachita) and Julie Newmar (Hesh-ke) as Indians in Mackenna's Gold?

I guess y'all know Ted Cassidy played Lurch. He made one big Indian.