Discussion Was it worth it?

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Mark R. Wilson's table on small arms expenditures by the US during the Civil War on page 231 of his book states the US spent $2.4M on Sharp's rifles and carbines and $2.078M on Spencer's rifles and carbines. The munitions for each were probably sold by smaller companies that did not rank high enough to be included in the table.
What did the US get for its money, which was probably a tiny portion of the more than $3B spent on the war?
The question posed is similar to that asked by @Philip Leigh ? What if the combination of political preference and incompetent evaluation that had given early preference to Colt and Burnside had been diminished the availability of the single shot breech loader and multi shot lever action gun had progressed early and the expenditure of each had been doubled? What if policies similar to those urged by Dyer, the Virginian, who ran the Springfield armory and eventually became the head of ordnance, had been adopted earlier? Would the deployment of advanced small arms convinced the Confederates to give up at an earlier date?
 
You could have thrown all the money in the world at the problem early in the war and it would have changed virtually nothing.

While the Northern states had a much, much larger industrial base than the Southern states, even the Northern arms manufacturers were not prepared or equipped to instantaneously manufacture interchangeable parts military weapons, particularly in the quantities required. Violating Federal procurement regulations, Secretary Cameron and General Ripley began issuing letter order contracts after the 1st Battle of Bull Run to almost anyone who claimed that they could manufacture or supply rifle muskets. Some of the companies were reputable arms manufacturers such as Colt's Patent Firearms Company and E. Remington and Sons. Other letter orders went to legitimate manufacturers of other goods who would have to build or convert factories to manufacture arms. Yet other orders went to individuals and companies who had no clear capability to manufacture or procure anything beyond their claims that they could. The various breechloading arms companies largely fit in this last category.

Even if a contractor intended to perform, there were immediate problems. The contracts required that rifle muskets be machine made and the parts be interchangeable with the Model 1855 Springfield rifle musket. The last contract awarded to a contractor to manufacture regulation model shoulder arms for the U.S. Army had been issued on 2 March 1853, and the last delivery made on 21 November 1855. No private contractor consequently had any experience manufacturing the Model 1855 rifle musket, or any of the tooling, jigs, and gauges necessary to do so. There was a limited capacity, even in the North, to manufacture the tooling necessary to build large numbers of military weapons with interchangeable parts. Competition for tooling raised costs for the manufacturers significantly and delayed their ability to obtain machinery and start manufacture. The contractors also competed directly with each other for the raw materials and skilled labor necessary to manufacture arms. Gun iron for the wrought iron barrels used in Springfield rifle muskets was a particular problem. Despite the Ordnance Office having held out "every inducement" to American iron mongers, they had never been capable of supplying enough gun iron of sufficient quality and uniformity to meet the demands of Springfield and Harpers Ferry Armories. At the beginning of the Civil War, Springfield Armory imported all its files, most of its steel, and all its gun iron from England. With the Northern iron mongers unable to meet Springfield's needs, much less the needs of the new contractors, and because most gun iron for all users was imported from Great Britain, Queen Victoria's embargo of arms and strategic materiel during the Trent Affair had a seriously negative impact on the supply of this critical raw material. Contractor manufactured Springfield rifle muskets consequently did not begin to arrive in the field in significant numbers until late 1862. Between 1861 and 1865, the War Department contracted for a total of 1,525,000 Springfield rifle muskets, and after the war told Congress that its contractors had only delivered 643,439 of the weapons during the entire war. When one adds up the individual contractors' numbers in the report one finds that 644,439 Springfields were delivered, however. This is unfortunately typical of the Ordnance Office's record keeping and mathematics during the War. In any case, this was only 42 percent of the Springfields contracted for by the Federal Army. In contrast to Springfield Armory's average cost per weapon during the war of $11.70 and Ripley's expectation that the contractors should be able to manufacture a Springfield rifle musket for $12.00, the contractor manufactured arms cost an average of $21.00, including $1.00 each for government inspection.

Some have asserted that the Federal Army, given the assumed industrial power of the North, should have concentrated on the production of breechloading arms, and meet its initial need for arms through imports of muzzleloading weapons from Europe. This view is incredibly naïve. It would have required that early in 1861 Federal officials have had the prescience to understand that the war was going to be something other than a brief spat. It would have required that the ordnance establishment understand and admit the clear superiority of breechloading over muzzleloading arms. It would have required that there be agreement on the part of both Army officials and the manufacturers on which breechloading arm(s) to manufacture, since the selected arm(s) would have to be both reliable and of interchangeable parts manufacture. The Federal ordnance establishment was justifiably cautious about using new weapons designs until it was certain they were reliable and could be manufactured to the Ordnance Office's standards of uniformity. To produce the necessary volume of arms, it would have required that the patent holders of the selected breechloading arm(s) agree to permit other manufacturers to manufacture their arms, or that the Federal government seize the patents, violating the owners' property rights. It would have required that the Federal government have the will and means to pay the cost, since breechloading arms were appreciably more expensive than the Springfield rifle musket. It would have required that the North have the capacity to rapidly expand its arms and ammunition manufacturing capabilities. And in the case of the Spencer it would have required enough experience with copper cartridges containing both gunpowder and fulminate of mercury priming to be sure that it was safe to transport them in quantity by wagon over rough roads. That Federal contractors were only able to deliver 42 percent of the much simpler Springfield rifle muskets for which they had contracted illustrates the fallacy of the concept.

There is no logistics magic wand.

Regards,
Don Dixon
 
You could ask that question about any conflict. Sometimes it is a very easy answer, but most times there will be a serious argument set up by the media, if no one else - especially if there is a failure to 'win'*. We can really only use examples outside of the Civil War timeframe to illustrate this as other threads have chewed over the breechloading situation, as well as marksmanship.
* "win = you get the required military or political result.

One of the factors of any prolonged conflict is the changes made to equipment, tactics and strategy as time goes on. One of the factors in the Civil War was the mass production of certain items which must include their serviceability and reliability. Another, related, topic would be how long it took to train troops to use them so that they were an effective change. That was the main reason behind the use of muzzle-loaders for the majority - the instructors knew what to do and had been doing it for years and knew how to train raw recruits. One of the main obstacles to breechloaders was the rate of fire. This included the quantity of ammunition to be carried, the rate of fire in untrained hands and, the deciding factor, how they could be resupplied in the field with the current transport arrangements. This was how they thought, this is how they still think.

You can have a 'wonder weapon' ready to go, only to find that the necessary industrial technology could not cope with it in quantity. You then put it into certain locations or certain units where you know it will do well. Trouble is, if it is too successful, it becomes a target itself. The Rebs LOVED those captured Spencers - until they ran out of ammo.
 
I agree with @Don Dixon . However the tests had been done. And the manufacturing constraints could have been solved in 1863. An earlier realization that enclosed cartridges could be used in an effective repeating arm, and that means earlier in 1863, and a doubling of availability in 1864 would have shortened the war.
The portion of his post about importing gun quality iron from England has been mentioned before.
If the navy could make the adjustments to more steam, more temporary and permanent armor, and rigorous testing of both Rodman type guns, and rifled guns, then the War Department's excuses look thin.
The affect of the Spencer repeaters, and the few Henrys that were issued was demonstrable from October 1864 to April 1865. Accelerating that deployment by three or four months would have saved the US money and might have avoided the destruction of some of the Confederate cities.
 
If the navy could place a prototype order in 1861, don't you think the War Department could have done the same thing? The War Department made a bad choice in going with the Colt rifle.
 
The affect of the Spencer repeaters, and the few Henrys that were issued was demonstrable from October 1864 to April 1865. Accelerating that deployment by three or four months would have saved the US money and might have avoided the destruction of some of the Confederate cities.

What would have had more effect and could have been accomplished in 1862 was cornering the European arms market. With the European armies rearming with new technology, supplies of new arms that weren't going to the armies were limited, as was the existing supply of semi-obsolecent arms. Minister Resident (Ambassador) Henry Sanford in Brussels, who purchased arms for the Federal Army, suggested it in 1861. Federal Consul Dr. Theodore Canisius in Vienna, who followed the Austrian arms market closely, suggested it in early 1862. And, Marcellus Hartley, who was a professional international arms merchant and had been dispatched to Europe later in 1862 to purchase arms for the Federal Army, repeatedly suggested it in correspondence to Secretary Stanton. The proposal was well taken and in some respects was an extension of Lieutenant General Scott's Anaconda Plan at an international level. If the arms supply from Europe could be cut off or significantly reduced - even if you just took the arms and dumped them at sea -there would be little or nothing for the Confederates to run through the Federal Navy's blockade. At the beginning of the Civil War the U.S. national debt stood at $64.8 million. By the end of the war, it was $5.3 billion. The cost to the Federal government of cornering the European arms market would have amounted to the cost of two or perhaps three months of running the war. Once the South's arms wore out....... But, that was too expensive and the end of the war was always just around the corner. Given that world view one is going to find the money to manufacture miracle weapons, even if one had the capacity to manufacture them?

Regards,
Don Dixon
 
You've over stated the federal debt, but the rest of the post makes sense. The attempt was made, and as you state, it coordinates with the external blockade.
 
This is from Prof Nolls' internet paper:
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The problems were substantial. But too many resources were dedicated to the Springfield rifle, and the developmental weapons were left scrambling for resources. The Sharps rifle and carbine probably bridged the gap, because it was existing technology.
It would not have been easy. But soldiers were dying and the US was sinking deeper into debt. The bureaucrats were supposed to be solving problems not making excuses. And that doesn't even begin to address the plain corruption that was commonplace in quartermaster and ordnance departments in the beginning of the war.
 
How much of the pre war shrinkage of the small arms vendors in the paid labor state was the deliberate policy of Floyd, as was disbursing arms to armories in the southern areas?
 
You've over stated the federal debt, but the rest of the post makes sense. The attempt was made, and as you state, it coordinates with the external blockade.

The figures on the national debt come from the U.S. Treasury's site www.treasurydirect.gov , so they are the official data and presumablly accurate. I thought that it was clear from my post that no attempt was made to corner the European arms market. The Federal Army through its agents and contractors purchased massive quantities of arms in Europe, but there was no concerted effort to corner the market as had been recommended by Sanford, Canisius, and Hartley.

And that doesn't even begin to address the plain corruption that was commonplace in quartermaster and ordnance departments in the beginning of the war.

Throughout the war at the New York Ordnance Agency, which had the portfolio for purchases and inspection of foreign arms.

How much of the pre war shrinkage of the small arms vendors in the paid labor state was the deliberate policy of Floyd, as was disbursing arms to armories in the southern areas?

Floyd's treason is an appropriate subject for yet another thread. But, even his duplicity wasn't enough to give the Confederates the resources that they needed.

Regards,
Don Dixon
 
Say what you will about the context, but Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's response to immediate up-armored vehicle requests in Iraq during the conflict reflect the reality of war in a Republic:

You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
 
During a war, when you are mass producing older design servicable weapons for your forces, you CANNOT just stop production, retool and start again with a new design. That is why a successful weapon will be slightly modified - often a 'simplification' to speed production - so as not to disrupt the supply. It is fine to talk about the effect of the Spencer, but they were being produced by a small company who were pushed to supply the number it did. As to decisions before the conflict, it is a matter of expectations and priorities. During the 1860s Europe was seeing a revolution on the battlefield and there was a real need to upgrade their guns and tactics, just they had with the rifle musket in the 1850s. Eyes were on the Civil War, as in any war, to see what was 'new'.

The 1860s saw a series of battles and a revolution in arms in Europe, but there was little innovation and the first step was to modify older rifles because it was quick, but effective. Muzzle-loaders were converted into centrefire breechloaders, only then did changes to smaller calibers take place. The USA did the same.
 
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Where in that cited website is there any mention of the 19th century national debt?
 
During a war, when you are mass producing older design servicable weapons for your forces, you CANNOT just stop production, retool and start again with a new design. That is why a successful weapon will be slightly modified - often a 'simplification' to speed production - so as not to disrupt the supply. It is fine to talk about the effect of the Spencer, but they were being produced by a small company who were pushed to supply the number it did. As to decisions before the conflict, it is a matter of expectations and priorities. During the 1860s Europe was seeing a revolution on the battlefield and there was a real need to upgrade their guns and tactics, just they had with the rifle musket in the 1850s. Eyes were on the Civil War, as in any war, to see what was 'new'.

The 1860s saw a series of battles and a revolution in arms in Europe, but there was little innovation and the first step was to modify older rifles because it was quick, but effective. Muzzle-loaders were converted into centrefire breechloaders, only then did changes to smaller calibers take place. The USA did the same.
Nice try. But the navy made the adjustments. And even the ordnance bureau eventually saw the advantages of the Griffen gun, which became the 3" ordnance rifle.
There was something irrational in the War Department that could not see that enclosed cartridges were already possible, and something that made them not perceive that reloading time was critical.
 
During a war, when you are mass producing older design servicable weapons for your forces, you CANNOT just stop production, retool and start again with a new design. That is why a successful weapon will be slightly modified - often a 'simplification' to speed production - so as not to disrupt the supply. It is fine to talk about the effect of the Spencer, but they were being produced by a small company who were pushed to supply the number it did. As to decisions before the conflict, it is a matter of expectations and priorities. During the 1860s Europe was seeing a revolution on the battlefield and there was a real need to upgrade their guns and tactics, just they had with the rifle musket in the 1850s. Eyes were on the Civil War, as in any war, to see what was 'new'.

The 1860s saw a series of battles and a revolution in arms in Europe, but there was little innovation and the first step was to modify older rifles because it was quick, but effective. Muzzle-loaders were converted into centrefire breechloaders, only then did changes to smaller calibers take place. The USA did the same.
The technology was changing in the 1850's. Many of these developments were known before the outbreak of open fighting in the US Civil War.
People of rank and responsibility are assigned the duty not only to provide weapons to the soldiers, but also have an effective development program and to have a transparent testing program.
The omission of citations to the Dyer, Dahlgren and McClellan tests of the Spencer demonstrate why Isherwood published his steam engine data in excrutiating detail. He wanted the industry to see that there was an evaluation program and he wanted his methods to be scrutinized.
 
The decisions about small arms were made first by Simon Cameron, one of the most corrupt politicians in US history. Then there made by bureaucrats and not by officers who had been in combat. That type of decision making was generally abandoned with respect to livestock purchases. US officers were sent directly to the livestock towns to buy directly from the local auction yards. That was the type of decision making that was eventually applied to small arms after Grant had more complete control of the army and Dyer was promoted from Springfield to head of ordnance.
 

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