Union vs CSA Guerrilla

[leftyhunter]

"Tracking down guerrillas, ambushing them"
Hence the use of the little spoken TN Mounted Infantry USA. Tennessee Rebs and Tories knew the area. Folks seem to think that Yankees from the streets of Chicago just came down and tracked partisans who had lived in the woods their whole life. Just like no mention of Crow scouts with the US Cavalry. Yeah, white guys from Boston just chased the Sioux around all by themselves. From what I have read the British military knew how to use locals in insurgency warfare. But you know more about that than me.

Using locals in counterinsurgency is just how the game is played. Not to argue that troops from far away can't become effective counterinsurgency troops far from it but in the history of counterinsurgency warfare the counterinsurgency force always recruits as many locals as possible .
The Second Colorado Cavalry was an effective counterinsurgency force in Missouri and the majority of the troopers were not from Missouri. There was a Union Cavalry regiment that was used all throughout the ACW in areas that were needed to suppress Confederate guerrillas.
Leftyhunter

 

[TnFed]

Using locals in counterinsurgency is just how the game is played. Not to argue that troops from far away can't become effective counterinsurgency troops far from it but in the history of counterinsurgency warfare the counterinsurgency force always recruits as many locals as possible .
The Second Colorado Cavalry was an effective counterinsurgency force in Missouri and the majority of the troopers were not from Missouri. There was a Union Cavalry regiment that was used all throughout the ACW in areas that were needed to suppress Confederate guerrillas.
Leftyhunter

Lefty, when you walk through graveyards in East TN, you will notice on civil war tombstones, they don't only say when the guy died, they say where he died and who kill him. Probably won't find much of that in the deep south or up north

 

[leftyhunter]

Lefty, when you walk through graveyards in East TN, you will notice on civil war tombstones, they don't only say when the guy died, they say where he died and who kill him. Probably won't find much of that in the deep south or up north

That's interesting because by no means was East Tennessee the only major area that had guerrilla warfare . Guerrilla warfare as a sole or component of a civil war is inherently up close and personal. Even foreign armies if facing a guerrilla war more often then not will recruit indigenous counterinsurgency or counter guerrilla forces. I have no idea why East Tennessee graves give details not present in Northern Alabama or Western Tennessee which isn't all that far away.
Leftyhunter

 

[TnFed]

Aaron Lafayette Morrow (1844-1866) - Find a Grave...

Co. G 3 Regt. TENN MTD Inf. Shot and killed in Murphy 9-10-1866 by John G. ( Pird ) Tatham.

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[TnFed]

That's interesting because by no means was East Tennessee the only major area that had guerrilla warfare . Guerrilla warfare as a sole or component of a civil war is inherently up close and personal. Even foreign armies if facing a guerrilla war more often then not will recruit indigenous counterinsurgency or counter guerrilla forces. I have no idea why East Tennessee graves give details not present in Northern Alabama or Western Tennessee which isn't all that far away.
Leftyhunter

Pvt William Morgan Morrow (1812-1863) - Find a...

NC PVT CAPT Isaac Truitt INDPT Co. NC MTD INF INDIAN WARS. Brutally murdered by Rebels at Morrow, Gap. Father of Rev. William Marion Morrow.

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[East Tennessee Roots]

Pvt William Morgan Morrow (1812-1863) - Find a...

NC PVT CAPT Isaac Truitt INDPT Co. NC MTD INF INDIAN WARS. Brutally murdered by Rebels at Morrow, Gap. Father of Rev. William Marion Morrow.

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A line of my ancestors from Wilkes County, NC, migrated to the Greene/Washington County area in the mid-1850s. A daughter, Lucy Caroline Land, became the second wife of James Hagan Morrow in 1875. he was a Confederate veteran from the 19th Tennessee Infantry. He had two brothers in the Confederate Army. These Morrows came to East Tennessee from South Carolina and were some of the more prominent wheat growers in East Tennessee. Any kin to your Morrows?

 

[TnFed]

A line of my ancestors from Wilkes County, NC, migrated to the Greene/Washington County area in the mid-1850s. A daughter, Lucy Caroline Land, became the second wife of James Hagan Morrow in 1875. he was a Confederate veteran from the 19th Tennessee Infantry. He had two brothers in the Confederate Army. These Morrows came to East Tennessee from South Carolina and were some of the more prominent wheat growers in East Tennessee. Any kin to your Morrows?

Could be , I know some of their people had roots in South Carolina .

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

Could be , I know some of their people had roots in South Carolina .

James' parents were Drury and Hetty Esther McCullough of Lancaster County, South Carolina.

 

[TnFed]

James' parents were Drury and Hetty Esther McCullough of Lancaster

I can trace my people to John Lunsford b. 1720 and Mary nee Wingate Lunsford b. 1720. All the old families in Cherokee County trace back to them..white families.
They were originally from Virginia and Soutn Carolina. My people quickly moved west to southwest NC. I think land was put on for sell around 1835-36 but there was a Baptist Curch in that area in 1820. A trading post in 1828. My folks were there early on. In fact whites were allowed in there as early as 1817 to live in the Nottley River area but you had to have a Cherokee wife..something not usually encouraged then..

My family hunkered down in the Southwest NC , Southeast TN and North GA area. They about all stayed there and stayed Baptist (many lapsed) until after WW2.A
TnFed.
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[East Tennessee Roots]

I can trace my people to John Lunsford b. 1720 and Mary nee Wingate Lunsford b. 1720. All the old families in Cherokee County trace back to them..white families.
They were originally from Virginia and Soutn Carolina. My people quickly moved west to southwest NC. I think land was put on for sell around 1835-36 but there was a Baptist Curch in that area in 1820. A trading post in 1828. My folks were there early on. In fact whites were allowed in there as early as 1817 to live in the Nottley River area but you had to have a Cherokee wife..something not usually encouraged then..

My family hunkered down in the Southwest NC , Southeast TN and North GA area. They about all stayed there and stayed Baptist (many lapsed) until after WW2.A
TnFed.
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Great Research, my friend! I'm sure you've seen this photo of my James Morrow.

Family Members Who Fought at Shiloh | Shiloh / Pittsburg Landing

My grandson, @kilroy15, has just recently discovered his 5xGreat Grandfather, Company H Lafayette Guards, fought at Shiloh with the 9th Mississippi of Bragg's Corps and Chalmer's Brigade. They captured the campsite of the 18th Wisconsin on the Federal far left flank then went north up the...

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[TnFed]

Great Research, my friend! I'm sure you've seen this photo of my James Morrow.

Family Members Who Fought at Shiloh | Shiloh / Pittsburg Landing

My grandson, @kilroy15, has just recently discovered his 5xGreat Grandfather, Company H Lafayette Guards, fought at Shiloh with the 9th Mississippi of Bragg's Corps and Chalmer's Brigade. They captured the campsite of the 18th Wisconsin on the Federal far left flank then went north up the...

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What a shame our people couldn't just work their farms. There were so many beautiful communities in East TN and Western NC. Your relative looks so young.

 

[USS ALASKA]

Journal Article
Guerrillas, Jayhawkers and Bushwhackers in Northern Arkansas during the Civil War
Leo E. Huff
The Arkansas Historical Quarterly
Vol. 24, No. 2 (Summer, 1965), pp. 127-148
Arkansas Historical Association

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40027595

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[USS ALASKA]

Journal Article
Indebtedness and the Origins of Guerrilla Violence in Civil War Missouri
Mark W. Geiger
The Journal of Southern History
Vol. 75, No. 1 (Feb., 2009), pp. 49-82
Southern Historical Association

Indebtedness and the Origins of Guerrilla Violence in Civil War Missouri on JSTOR

Mark W. Geiger, Indebtedness and the Origins of Guerrilla Violence in Civil War Missouri, The Journal of Southern History, Vol. 75, No. 1 (Feb., 2009), pp. 49-82

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[Trooper "D"]

Journal Article
Indebtedness and the Origins of Guerrilla Violence in Civil War Missouri
Mark W. Geiger
The Journal of Southern History
Vol. 75, No. 1 (Feb., 2009), pp. 49-82
Southern Historical Association

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Indebtedness and the Origins of Guerrilla Violence in Civil War Missouri on JSTOR

Mark W. Geiger, Indebtedness and the Origins of Guerrilla Violence in Civil War Missouri, The Journal of Southern History, Vol. 75, No. 1 (Feb., 2009), pp. 49-82

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Thanks for the info. I remember the finance thing but don't know or forgot details. Losing one's land could have an effect upon the attitude.
Cheers!

 

[Patrick H]

Anniversary...not a good one.

21 Aug 1863

The vicious guerilla war in Missouri spills over into Kansas and precipitates one of the most appalling acts of violence during the war when 150 men in the abolitionist town of Lawrence are murdered in a raid by Southern partisans. The Civil War took a very different form in Kansas and Missouri than it did throughout the rest of the nation. There were few regular armies operating there; instead, partisan bands attacked civilians and each other. The roots of conflict in the region dated back to 1854, when the Kansas-Missouri border became ground zero for tension over slavery. While residents of Kansas Territory were trying to decide the issue of slavery, bands from Missouri, a slave state, began attacking abolitionist settlements in the territory. Abolitionists reacted with equal vigor. When the war began, the long heritage of hatred between partisans created unparalleled violence in the area. In August 1863, the Union commander along the border, General Thomas Ewing, arrested several wives and sisters of members of a notorious band led by William Quantrill. This gang of outlaws had scorched the region, terrorizing and murdering Union sympathizers. On August 14, the building in Kansas City where the women were being held collapsed, killing five. Quantrill assembled 450 men to exact revenge. The army, which included such future western outlaws as the Younger brothers and Frank and Jesse James, headed for Lawrence, Kansas, long known as the center of abolitionism in Kansas. After kidnapping 10 farmers in order to guide them to Lawrence, the gang murdered each of them. Quantrill's men rode into Lawrence and dragged 182 men from their homes, many in front of their families, and killed them in cold blood. They burned 185 buildings in Lawrence, then rode back to Missouri with Union cavalry in hot pursuit. This incident incited the North and led to even more killing by both sides along the Kansas-Missouri border.

USS ALASKA

It is true that the raid on Lawrence was vicious and violent. The entry above illustrates the raid as it was generally depicted in the media of the day. However, it probably contains some inaccuracies. Jesse James was not present at the Lawrence raid, and didn't join his brother until shortly afterward. Once in the guerrilla band, Jesse was certainly a vicious fighter.

The issue of the temporary jail collapse which killed and wounded some wives and sisters of the guerrillas is very contentious to this day. Many people assert that the collapse was caused deliberately by federals. I don't think that can ever be proven, but there is no doubt that General Ewing was derelict and negligent. The building had been creaking and settling and on the verge of collapse for several days, causing a street level tenant to vacate the premises. Ewing did nothing to relocate the women. There is no doubt that Quantrill used the collapse to instill a revenge motivation in his men--many of whom had thought a raid deep into Kansas was foolish and too dangerous.

Lawrence was by no means an innocent town at the time. It contained a garrison and nearly every able bodied man and older teenaged boy belonged to the local militia. It was also the epicenter of a huge criminal enterprise--warehousing, selling, and shipping of stolen household items, valuables, and livestock from Missouri. For example, raiders found four stolen pianos which they recognized in Jim Lane's house. (Lane escaped out the back door and through a corn field, still in his nightshirt.)

There's no doubt that many excesses happened in that raid, and I have often stated my hunch that the bands of Bill Anderson and George Todd are responsible for most of those excesses. I can never prove my hunch, but reading of eyewitness accounts leads me to believe my hunch is correct. If Anderson was not hate-crazed before his sister's death, I believe he was afterwards. William Gregg wrote that Anderson rode into combat frothing at the mouth!

The guerrilla war is the part of the civil war that fascinates me, because so much of it happened near where I live. Like so many other things, it is far more complicated than it is sometimes portrayed. It was a violent and fearful time to be living in parts of Missouri.

 

[USS ALASKA]

Altered Destinies: Quantrill's Guerrillas and the Civil War in Western Missouri
Terry G. Foster
Department of History
Master of Arts
The University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
September, 1999

Abstract
William Clarke Quantrill's Raiders cannot be simply defined as guerrillas. Quantrill's command consisted primarily of members of the dominant class. They fought not to overthrow the existing social order and effect a revolution, but to preserve the existing hierarchical social structure and distribution of power which had given Corm to their aspirations and expectations. They were defenders of privilege and fought to protect the elite status their families had earned within the antebellum western Missourian social stratum. They reacted to perceived and actual threats posed by the Union army to themselves, their families and their way of life. Their exploits ensured both their infamy and folk hero status. In the context of the Civil War in western Missouri, therefore, William Clarke Quantrill and his guerrilla band were counterrevolutionary social bandits.

https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk1/tape9/PQDD_0001/MQ42143.pdf

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Cheers,
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[Patrick H]

Altered Destinies: Quantrill's Guerrillas and the Civil War in Western Missouri
Terry G. Foster
Department of History
Master of Arts
The University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
September, 1999

Abstract
William Clarke Quantrill's Raiders cannot be simply defined as guerrillas. Quantrill's command consisted primarily of members of the dominant class. They fought not to overthrow the existing social order and effect a revolution, but to preserve the existing hierarchical social structure and distribution of power which had given Corm to their aspirations and expectations. They were defenders of privilege and fought to protect the elite status their families had earned within the antebellum western Missourian social stratum. They reacted to perceived and actual threats posed by the Union army to themselves, their families and their way of life. Their exploits ensured both their infamy and folk hero status. In the context of the Civil War in western Missouri, therefore, William Clarke Quantrill and his guerrilla band were counterrevolutionary social bandits.

https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk1/tape9/PQDD_0001/MQ42143.pdf

Because of copyright, please use above link.

Cheers,
USS ALASKA

Thanks for this post. I have scanned through the contents of the paper, and will read it fully as soon as I can.

 

[Specster]

Altered Destinies: Quantrill's Guerrillas and the Civil War in Western Missouri
Terry G. Foster
Department of History
Master of Arts
The University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
September, 1999

Abstract
William Clarke Quantrill's Raiders cannot be simply defined as guerrillas. Quantrill's command consisted primarily of members of the dominant class. They fought not to overthrow the existing social order and effect a revolution, but to preserve the existing hierarchical social structure and distribution of power which had given Corm to their aspirations and expectations. They were defenders of privilege and fought to protect the elite status their families had earned within the antebellum western Missourian social stratum. They reacted to perceived and actual threats posed by the Union army to themselves, their families and their way of life. Their exploits ensured both their infamy and folk hero status. In the context of the Civil War in western Missouri, therefore, William Clarke Quantrill and his guerrilla band were counterrevolutionary social bandits.

https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk1/tape9/PQDD_0001/MQ42143.pdf

Because of copyright, please use above link.

Cheers,
USS ALASKA

As far as I can discern, Quantrill was a heartless murder who attacked a town and had no problem with kill women, children and elderly men. I have no consideration for his tacitic. The soldiers of the Union could have done much worse in 1864-65 but they didnt. Hope he is burning in hell