Texas tyler rifle

[Raymond]

Hi all try to find any info on a musket I received. I have found very little info online.
It's a functional Texas rifle tyler, possible a type 1 or type 2. It's barrel is aprox. 32" long and around 48" in overall length. It has a few issues, missing rear sight, cracked stock near the tang but looks to have a period correct repair. The hammer has a chunk missing near the nipple and the top is broken off. Any and all info would be helpful, possibly value.

 

[Raymond]

A few more, the few sight I have found say it's a rare gun but I have no idea, I am much more familiar with modern firearms.

 

[captaindrew]

Welcome from South Florida and the Reenactors Forum, thanks for sharing your piece, I'm sure one of the experts will be along before long to tell us more about it.

 

[Raymond]

Thank you

 

[Larryh86GT]

Welcome from WNY

 

[tbuckley]

You might want to see if your local library might have Tyler Texas, C. S. A. by William Albaugh printed by the Stackpole Co., 1958. Maybe they could get a copy on loan. It will have the information you are looking for.
Thanks for posting. And welcome from eastern Ohio.

 

[DixieRifles]

Interesting. Im not familiar with this rifle. Could you post one photo of the entire rifle?

 

[Lanyard Puller]

Interesting posting. Please have a good look around the muzzle, on the rear of the trigger plate, and under the lock plate stamps for any traces of a serial number. There were 5 types of these things, and without seeing it it's both impossible and not really relevant, as to what "type" it is...Also look on the inside of the lock should you wish to take it off. The number will help ascertain the production date.
I've also sent you a "conversation" P.M.

 

[Bonedaddy]

The First Edition Blue Book of Antique American Firearms and Values by S.P. Fjestad and John B. Allen indicates a .54 or .57 percussion, Enfield type lockplate with various markings, and one of these markings matches the one on your gun. Manufactured from 1863-1865 with between 100 and 250 made. Values of original complete specimens start at $25,000.00!! It further states to beware of fakes made with original surplus locks. You probably need to find an expert on these to determine the originality of yours. An additional reference book that I have is Confederate Longarms and Pistols, A Pictorial Study, by Richard Taylor Hill and William Anthony Anthony, 1978. They have a section in the book on Tyler long guns with pictures of the same type of rifle as yours, and the pictures in their book match yours. Information indicates that the caliber was .577 and 1009 were produced between 1863 and 1865. I believe that you have an exceedingly rare gun worth a considerable amount of money, even in the condition yours is in. Good luck.

 

[JOHN42768]

Welcome, enjoy

 

[Jeff in Ohio]

Last I knew, less than half a dozen complete and authentic TYLER TEXAS rifles are known to exist, and a pretty nice one sold for $69,000 in the Morphy Action in 2011

 

[Raymond]

You might want to see if your local library might have Tyler Texas, C. S. A. by William Albaugh printed by the Stackpole Co., 1958. Maybe they could get a copy on loan. It will have the information you are looking for.
Thanks for posting. And welcome from eastern Ohio.

Thank you

The First Edition Blue Book of Antique American Firearms and Values by S.P. Fjestad and John B. Allen indicates a .54 or .57 percussion, Enfield type lockplate with various markings, and one of these markings matches the one on your gun. Manufactured from 1863-1865 with between 100 and 250 made. Values of original complete specimens start at $25,000.00!! It further states to beware of fakes made with original surplus locks. You probably need to find an expert on these to determine the originality of yours. An additional reference book that I have is Confederate Longarms and Pistols, A Pictorial Study, by Richard Taylor Hill and William Anthony Anthony, 1978. They have a section in the book on Tyler long guns with pictures of the same type of rifle as yours, and the pictures in their book match yours. Information indicates that the caliber was .577 and 1009 were produced between 1863 and 1865. I believe that you have an exceedingly rare gun worth a considerable amount of money, even in the condition yours is in. Good luck.

Thank you for the reply!!

 

[Raymond]

Last I knew, less than half a dozen complete and authentic TYLER TEXAS rifles are known to exist, and a pretty nice one sold for $69,000 in the Morphy Action in 2011

Thank you for the info !!

 

[Raymond]

Interesting posting. Please have a good look around the muzzle, on the rear of the trigger plate, and under the lock plate stamps for any traces of a serial number. There were 5 types of these things, and without seeing it it's both impossible and not really relevant, as to what "type" it is...Also look on the inside of the lock should you wish to take it off. The number will help ascertain the production date.
I've also sent you a "conversation" P.M.

Thank you I will need to figure out how to get there as I am new to the site.

 

[Jeff in Ohio]

This sure looks to be a classic "Tyler Texas" style rifle
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My advice to all is as follows (AND THIS APPLIES TO ALL SITUATIONS SUCH AS THIS):

To the owner, don't sell this quickly to anyone. Buyers may claim an authentic item is fake and worth little.

To those who covet owning such a rarity, don't buy this quickly. A classic way to pass on a faked rarity is to claim that the seller doesn't have any knowledge at all about ______________ (fill in the blank with "Action Comics No. 1," or "a Honus Wagner baseball card," or a Colt Navy revolver inscribed "from J E Davis to Gen'l R E Lee," or a "Tyler Texas Rifle"

Again, this is just good general advice, and I pass along what I have learned over decades of collecting.

 

[Raymond]

This sure looks to be a classic "Tyler Texas" style rifle
.
My advice to all is as follows (AND THIS APPLIES TO ALL SITUATIONS SUCH AS THIS):

To the owner, don't sell this quickly to anyone. Buyers may claim an authentic item is fake and worth little.

To those who covet owning such a rarity, don't buy this quickly. A classic way to pass on a faked rarity is to claim that the seller doesn't have any knowledge at all about ______________ (fill in the blank with "Action Comics No. 1," or "a Honus Wagner baseball card," or a Colt Navy revolver inscribed "from J E Davis to Gen'l R E Lee," or a "Tyler Texas Rifle"

Again, this is just good general advice, and I pass along what I have learned over decades of collecting.

Very solid and great advice !!

 

[UCVRelics]

Hi all try to find any info on a musket I received

Welcome From THE Heart Of Dixie. Interesting piece and Lanyard Puller will know all there is to know about this weapon and I would not be surprised if he doesn't have one in this collection. You are in GOOD hands with what ever LP tells you. One thing I would like to see is a closeup of the lock plate marking if possible as this will be a tell all.

 

[Obi1gr]

I've sent you a pm.

 

[Raymond]

Interesting posting. Please have a good look around the muzzle, on the rear of the trigger plate, and under the lock plate stamps for any traces of a serial number. There were 5 types of these things, and without seeing it it's both impossible and not really relevant, as to what "type" it is...Also look on the inside of the lock should you wish to take it off. The number will help ascertain the production date.
I've also sent you a "conversation" P.M.

Welcome From THE Heart Of Dixie. Interesting piece and Lanyard Puller will know all there is to know about this weapon and I would not be surprised if he doesn't have one in this collection. You are in GOOD hands with what ever LP tells you. One thing I would like to see is a closeup of the lock plate marking if possible as this will be a tell all.

thanks for responding, I have posted numerous photos but not sure if they are available to everyone to see. I'm brand new to this site and still trying to figure out how to go back and forth. Here are a couple pic of the front and rear of the lock plate.

 

[UCVRelics]

Interesting piece, IMHO just from photos it hard to determine anything but this one looks right as rain looking with the inside of the lock-plate serial #. One thing you have to remember on these very small production, local made pieces is the the metal quality wasn't that great. I believe this one had a major blow back thru the nipple hole at some point which accounts for the chuck missing on the hammer and the hammer ear broken and the stock crack. If you look the inner lock half moon piece is also cracked as well.