Reproduction?

[Specster]

no inspection on maker marks

 

[ole]

no inspection on maker marksView attachment 83932View attachment 83933 View attachment 83934

Could be a Swamp Dog.

 

[James N.]

no inspection on maker marks

Could be a Swamp Dog.

Too well-made to be either Confederate or a reproduction; likely this is an import made by one of the numerous German Solingen manufacturers. (And ole, that's "Dog River"!)

 

[ole]

Too well-made to be either Confederate or a reproduction; likely this is an import made by one of the numerous German Solingen manufacturers. (And ole, that's "Dog River"!)

Thanks, James. I have a problem with the names. I have a saber which has no marks. So it was one of those Dog things. I just always get it wrong.

Dog river. Dog river. Dog river. Bet I get it wrong the next time I mention it.

I have been corrected countless times, but I can't seem to register or remember what the proper appellation is. A blank spot?

 

[ole]

It appears to be an authentic Model 1860 Cavalry Saber, and there are no markings.

Bob Owen was of a mind that the markings had been polished off. Perhaps, but I see no evidence of polishing off. All of which reminds me that I need to wipe it with oil during the idle months of winter.

It is in a repro sabbard. So the goal is to hang it somewhere in my mansty.

 

[James N.]

It appears to be an authentic Model 1860 Cavalry Saber, and there are no markings.

Bob Owen was of a mind that the markings had been polished off. Perhaps, but I see no evidence of polishing off. All of which reminds me that I need to wipe it with oil during the idle months of winter.

It is in a repro sabbard. So the goal is to hang it somewhere in my mansty.

ole, the one Spectser has posted is NOT a M.1860 - it's a M.1840. Look at the flat back on the blade and the evenly tapering grip - this is the same as the French Mlle. 1822 on which ours was based. So-called 1860's have rounded backs and a pronounced swell in the middle of the grip like you can see in these Ames in my collection:

http://civilwartalk.com/threads/cavalry-and-dragoon-sabers-by-the-n-p-ames-co.109389/

 

[ole]

ole, the one Spectser has posted is NOT a M.1860 - it's a M.1840. Look at the flat back on the blade and the evenly tapering grip - this is the same as the French Mlle. 1822 on which ours was based. So-called 1860's have rounded backs and a pronounced swell in the middle of the grip like you can see in these Ames in my collection:

http://civilwartalk.com/threads/cavalry-and-dragoon-sabers-by-the-n-p-ames-co.109389/

This is definitely an model 1860.

 

[Specster]

Too well-made to be either Confederate or a reproduction; likely this is an import made by one of the numerous German Solingen manufacturers. (And ole, that's "Dog River"!)

It was well made. There was no play in the blade.

I thought it odd that the rain guard? (where the blade meets the grip) was not leather. It looked like it was brass. Is that possible?

 

[Specster]

It appears to be an authentic Model 1860 Cavalry Saber, and there are no markings.

Bob Owen was of a mind that the markings had been polished off. Perhaps, but I see no evidence of polishing off. All of which reminds me that I need to wipe it with oil during the idle months of winter.

It is in a repro sabbard. So the goal is to hang it somewhere in my mansty.

The scabbard did have a mark, down by the toe I think it is "S & K"

 

[kevikens]

Jeeze, I picked up one of these a few years back, looks exactly like this one, also without any markings on it. I thought it was just a well made repro.

 

[hawknknife]

German, 1840, scabbard original to the sword, wire looks redone, not of the quality when it was mfg.

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Original German sword, imported for use in the ACW, in the style of our Model 1840, and the wire grip is original. Condition overall is very clean, a worthy addition to an ACW sword collection.
J.

 

[raydog9379]

Original German sword, imported for use in the ACW, in the style of our Model 1840, and the wire grip is original. Condition overall is very clean, a worthy addition to an ACW sword collection.
J.

Completely agree... 1840 (grip / flat back give that away), wire looks original. Overall a nice 1840 cav. import.

 

[kevikens]

Gotta ask. Is that rifle in the background a Winchester model 92, gallery gun, in .22 caliber?

 

[Specster]

Gotta ask. Is that rifle in the background a Winchester model 92, gallery gun, in .22 caliber?

Gotta ask. Is that rifle in the background a Winchester model 92, gallery gun, in .22 caliber?

It is supposedly a savage arms pump action 22

 

[James N.]

The scabbard did have a mark, down by the toe I think it is "S & K"

Most likely for Schnitzer & Kirschbaum, noted sword cutlers of Solingen.

 

[hawknknife]

Nice German import. The only reason I questioned the wire wrap is the coils are not very tightly twisted and blade tang looks kinda spread out from hammer peening on the end of the tang.

 

[ole]

Nice German import. The only reason I questioned the wire wrap is the coils are not very tightly twisted and blade tang looks kinda spread out from hammer peening on the end of the tang.

Speaking technical, hawknknife. It's been a while since the ordinary student has seen the word "peening" or "tang."

 

[James N.]

Nice German import. The only reason I questioned the wire wrap is the coils are not very tightly twisted and blade tang looks kinda spread out from hammer peening on the end of the tang.

That's a sloppy-looking rivet all right; but it might just be tarnish - it's hard to tell from the photo.

 

[Glen_C]

A problem with the unmarked Solingen swords is that they made the mle1822 as late as the 20th century and shipped worldwide. With the hundreds of thousands that were exported during the war years, any guess might be fair game. I prefer to list my unmarked example as "of the type" and leave it at that. Marked swords in complete condition are starting to command premiums, while even very sound unmarked swords starting to wither on the vine.

The ACW swords are a bit later than my focus and I lack the resources but I imagine paperwork showing confederate orders are probably hard to come by. In the end, information that is probably more valuable than having an unmarked sword.

I can't be sure of what I see of this sword shown but it looks like a grooved grip, rather than cord, then leather and wire. Mine is cord underlay. A good number of the Solingen swords have the cord routine vs the grooved grips (ala Ames and the French made 1822).

Cheers

Here is mine with a horn grip French 1854 dragoon. You can see cord peeking through.

GC