Original drawing Lorenz M1854

[Urrikane]

Hi guys!
I hope you please, I attacched the original drawings of the Lorenz musket.

 

[JOHN42768]

Thanks for posting

 

[JAGwinn]

For clarity, dimensions appear to be INCH and METRIC; i.e., (1" - 10mm). Thank you for posting. Appears to be hand-drawn! Love old technology!

 

[UCVRelics]

Great Info Thanks for sharing.

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Just a correction, if I may: 1.0" = 25.4mm.
J.

 

[JAGwinn]

Just a correction, if I may: 1.0" = 25.4mm.
J.

Upon closer look, I am not sure how the dimensions are depicted. I had thought it was 1 inch or 10 mm, but as you stated that doesn't make sense. What superscriptions do you make out on the 1 and the 10 in the dimension of PHOTO #5 the BALL PULLER?

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[Jobe Holiday]

Don't know, cant read it clear enough.
J.

 

[Don Dixon]

For clarity, dimensions appear to be INCH and METRIC; i.e., (1" - 10mm). Thank you for posting. Appears to be hand-drawn! Love old technology!

The Austro-Hungarian Empire didn't go on the Metric System until 1871, nor did they use the English measure of inches, feet, and yards. Instead, the Imperial (Viennese) system of measurements was based upon the Schritt, a military pace of 29.5 inches/.75 meters.

A Punkt [Point] (iv on the drawings) was the smallest distance measurement, and was equivalent to 0.183 mm or 0.00717 inches.

Twelve Punkt made a Linie [Line] (''' on the drawings), which was equivalent to 2.195 mm or 0.08642 inches.

Twelve Linie made a Zoll (" on the drawings), which was theoretically the width of the joint of a man's thumb. A Zoll was equivalent to 26.34 mm or 1.0371 inches.

A Prussian Schritt was different than a Bavarian Schritt, which was different than a Swiss Schritt, etc. Welcome to the wonderful world of measurement and trade prior to the universal adoption of the Metric System, except for us Yanks, of course. The above is why English and Metric screws don't generally fit imported System Augustin and Lorenz weapons, unless you strip the threads, of course.

The Russians continued the use the comparable Arschin system until they went Metric after the Russian Revolution, which is why the M1891 Mosin-Nagant rifle was known to Russian troops as the "three line" rifle (3 .103 inch "lines" equaling .309 caliber.)

Regards,
Don Dixon

 

[Phil McBride]

My head is spinning from Mr. Dixon's clarification. Thank you anyway.

 

[thomas aagaard]

Most of Europe used the same math system... since it was used by the romans.
1 foot = 12" (inches/tommer/zoll...)
1" = 12""
1""= 12"""
But the length of the foot/fod/Scritt was not standardized....

During the 19th century some countries did take a step in the direction of the metric system.
In Denmark the "pund" was change to be 500g. The Scandinavian "mil" is 10 km.

 

[Jobe Holiday]

My brain is in "Does not compute." mode now!
J.

 

[thomas aagaard]

My brain is in "Does not compute." mode now!
J.

That is why every civilized country in the world have changed to the metric system ;-)

 

[Jobe Holiday]

My lineage is Scottish, Welsh, and German, with all of them migrating to America prior to the American Revolution. England has considered us "Uncivilized" ever since then!
J.