Edged Wpns New Acquisitions

[uaskme]

Impressive

 

[stu613]

It's one of the things we love best about you!

It could have been worse. I could have said he is on the cutting edge of sword acquisitions.

 

[R. Porter]

It could have been worse. I could have said he is on the cutting edge of sword acquisitions.

I like this statement better.

 

[R. Porter]

No saw-tooth on the spine of the bayonet, so a regular m1871 Prussian bayonet. On the ricasso maker marked, "ALEX COPPEL, SOLINGEN." Unit marked on the guard 36.R.something.something.something? For 36th infantry regiment, ending with a rack number? These Prussian units can be traced to a particular town where they were stationed before World War 1. You may also determine the battles in which it fought. It looks like it spent some time outdoors before someone picked it up and brought it home. It could easily be a GI's bring back from Europe. You should check for any relative who fought during WW1 and may have brought it home.

Some examples:

https://edgedweapons.nl/en/bayonets-for-sale/germany/german-prussian-m-1871-bayonet-by-alex-coppel-solingene-unit-marked-abcn129-k366-jn78-1-detail

M1871 german bayonet maker Alexander Coppel Solingen

caricat.it

IMPERIAL GERMAN M1871 BAYONET (B2077) - Chelmsford Militaria

SCARCE IMPERIAL GERMAN MODEL 1871 MAUSER BAYONET DATED 1875 IN ITS ORIGINAL LEATHER SCABARD WITH BRASS MOUNTS THIS BAYONET FITS THE MAUSER 1871/84 AND THE

chelmsfordmilitaria.com

 

[bobinwmass]

Very nice swords with great history. It looks like a couple photos of James sword got mixed in with John's, otherwise there are two versions of "US" on John's sword and one version is repeated on James's sword. John's sword was likely purchased or gifted to him when the regiment was reorganized in late 1862/1863 after the men were paroled. An 1861 Ames Foot officer sword would typically have a block style "US". The script style "US" started in late 1862 or so per Thillmann's book.

 

[gjpratt]

I am always in awe of the collective knowledge of CWT members. This one is gobsmacking, however. I never expected to receive anything like the actual images of one of the sword's owners. I am extremely grateful to @lelliott19 for making the connection (at 11:30 p.m.) and @Elias G. Jackson immediately compiling and posting (at midnight) all these wonderful, spectacular images. I know my seller had no other documents or records of his ancestors and certainly no images.

CWT at its finest!

It gets even better. Due to the generosity and history appreciation of @Elias G. Jackson the tintype of John Beatty is reunited with his sword. I deeply appreciate his cheerfully parting with an item in his personal collection and his fairness in terms. Motivated by a desire for the unique items so special to an Iowa soldier to be associated together

A great example of collectors' ethos.

 

[gjpratt]

Very nice swords with great history. It looks like a couple photos of James sword got mixed in with John's, otherwise there are two versions of "US" on John's sword and one version is repeated on James's sword. John's sword was likely purchased or gifted to him when the regiment was reorganized in late 1862/1863 after the men were paroled. An 1861 Ames Foot officer sword would typically have a block style "US". The script style "US" started in late 1862 or so per Thillmann's book.

Darn. Too late to edit. I actually caught a couple of mismatched photos and put them in the right order after proofreading. I have a hard time working from a phone and being farsighted.

I think you're correct on the timing of the Ames presentation. John resigned very shortly after the exchange and reorganization. I was thinking it may have even been a parting gift. Either way, it is consistent with the fine condition of the sword. There is no evidence of any field use.

 

[bobinwmass]

John's sword may or may not be a presentation. There is no "Presented to" or by whom. He may have simply have had it engraved himself. But either way it's fantastic to own and hold a sword and know who it belonged to over 160 years ago.

 

[gjpratt]

John's sword may or may not be a presentation. There is no "Presented to" or by whom. He may have simply have had it engraved himself. But either way it's fantastic to own and hold a sword and know who it belonged to over 160 years ago.

Another good point. I tend to overgeneralize and loosely call any sword with an identified officer a presentation sword.