Need Help Identifying Leather Sling

ironmannf

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Hello Everyone,
I recently attended a gun show in PA and picked up this leather sling and was wondering if someone could help identify it for me. The sling measures approximately 70" long (not including the brass keeper) and is approximately 1 1/4" wide. Any input or help would be greatly appreciated!

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I think many of the later slings are double hooked but not sure about the earlier ones. But it may be a wartime sling. I'm looking forward to seeing what others say.
 
Being its not a dug item, Looks like a question for our leather/uniform expert. Paging @Package4
 
This is not a typical ACW musket sling which is approximately 20 inches shorter. Your sling has all the attributes of an ACW sling with the exception of length, nice piece!
Thank you for you reply. I paid $150 for the sling so I don't know if I got a bad deal or not. What would be your best guess what it might be? I know that there's a1866 musket sling but I thought they were made from two ACW slings sewn together. Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
Thank you for you reply. I paid $150 for the sling so I don't know if I got a bad deal or not. What would be your best guess what it might be? I know that there's a1866 musket sling but I thought they were made from two ACW slings sewn together. Any help is greatly appreciated!
I think you do have the trapdoor (longer) sling and not all were sewn together. I looked up leather slings in my accouterment books and surprisingly they are not covered in any of them. I just measured my existing originals…

I have an IW accouterment resource book and it does not cover slings either, everything but.
 
Another source for information on this sling might be the "expert" on Trapdoors, Al Frasca. I have purchased a few of them from Al and he is very knowledgeable and can hopefully let you know whether the sling is a post-war conversion or an early Trapdoor sling (which I think it is but again that's just my guess from what little I know)

Al's email is: [email protected]
 
I did a quick search on the message boards at https://www.trapdoorcollector.com/ found this:

The '66 could easily accommodate the Model 1850 buff sling or the Model 1861 sling while the Model 1868's sling swivel arrangements made those slings too short. Thus, the. "gun, lengthened for musket, pattern 1870", (Ord Memo No. 19, p. 38), came about. As Dick points out, old items continued to be used, especially under Congress' insistence. New made 1870 slings of one piece did come about in the 1880's as the supply of CW slings ran out for conversion. Shortly thereafter, the Model 1887 sling came about.

Found this posted on The Horse Soldier about "1870" slings:

This is a nice condition 1870 pattern U.S. rifle sling for the army's trapdoor rifles of the Indian Wars. This is one-piece construction with a standing loop on one end and a brass wire hook on the other that is secured by the leather being folded back and stitched. This is the same construction as the Civil War pattern, but measures about 67 inches instead of 46. The 1868 and 1870 Springfields introduced shorter barrels fastened by just two bands. Since the sling swivels were mounted to the triggerbow and the upper band, however, the slings (formerly attached to a swivel on a lower middle band) had to be longer. A Civil War sling might look good on parade, but could not be adjusted for field use and once these arms were put in production in 1869 and issued in quantity starting in 1870, the army suddenly realized there was a problem. The initial solution was to stitch two Civil War slings together, which also helped reduce surplus stocks, but by the 1880s it was necessary to make new ones and these one-piece slings made it to the field.

Hope it helps!
 
I think you do have the trapdoor (longer) sling and not all were sewn together. I looked up leather slings in my accouterment books and surprisingly they are not covered in any of them. I just measured my existing originals…

I have an IW accouterment resource book and it does not cover slings either, everything but.
I have a feeling that it an early IW sling but when I tried to look it up in my books but couldn't find anything on it either.
 
I did a quick search on the message boards at https://www.trapdoorcollector.com/ found this:

The '66 could easily accommodate the Model 1850 buff sling or the Model 1861 sling while the Model 1868's sling swivel arrangements made those slings too short. Thus, the. "gun, lengthened for musket, pattern 1870", (Ord Memo No. 19, p. 38), came about. As Dick points out, old items continued to be used, especially under Congress' insistence. New made 1870 slings of one piece did come about in the 1880's as the supply of CW slings ran out for conversion. Shortly thereafter, the Model 1887 sling came about.

Found this posted on The Horse Soldier about "1870" slings:

This is a nice condition 1870 pattern U.S. rifle sling for the army's trapdoor rifles of the Indian Wars. This is one-piece construction with a standing loop on one end and a brass wire hook on the other that is secured by the leather being folded back and stitched. This is the same construction as the Civil War pattern, but measures about 67 inches instead of 46. The 1868 and 1870 Springfields introduced shorter barrels fastened by just two bands. Since the sling swivels were mounted to the triggerbow and the upper band, however, the slings (formerly attached to a swivel on a lower middle band) had to be longer. A Civil War sling might look good on parade, but could not be adjusted for field use and once these arms were put in production in 1869 and issued in quantity starting in 1870, the army suddenly realized there was a problem. The initial solution was to stitch two Civil War slings together, which also helped reduce surplus stocks, but by the 1880s it was necessary to make new ones and these one-piece slings made it to the field.

Hope it helps!
Thank you for giving me Al's contact information. I'm going to reach out to him this evening to get his thoughts on the sling and I'll let you fellas know what he says. Thank you Scooter748driver and Package4 for all of your assistance!!
 

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