Musicians Frock Coat?

myles_ahead

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I am interested in purchasing a Musicians Frock Coat (with the infantry birdcage pattern on the chest) but I am reluctant to buy without any advice. I do not have any other musicians in my immediate unit, so I figured I could ask here.

Are there any good sutlers? Should I just get an enlisted Frock Coat?
 
I am interested in purchasing a Musicians Frock Coat (with the infantry birdcage pattern on the chest) but I am reluctant to buy without any advice. I do not have any other musicians in my immediate unit, so I figured I could ask here.

Are there any good sutlers? Should I just get an enlisted Frock Coat?
Getting a regular frock (are we talking Federal?) would be more versatile if you want to carry a rifle as well. Fair warning though, good quality Federal frocks are pretty pricey. I would go with the same uniform the rest of your unit wears to start, again for the sake of versatility. If you already have that and want to invest in a musician's frock then go for it.
 
Should I just get an enlisted Frock Coat?
That is something to consider.
Photographs from the period show that in many Union army units, the musicians simply wore privates' uniform coats in lieu of the musicians coats, when uniforms were employed...

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Otherwise the common fatigue dress...including sack coats, etc. Here's a band parading at the headquarters of the Army of the Potomac in the field in 1863: a couple chaps in common uniform coats, but most in the flannel fatigue sack...


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from camp and field, in the common flannel fatigue sack coat...

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I am interested in purchasing a Musicians Frock Coat (with the infantry birdcage pattern on the chest) but I am reluctant to buy without any advice. I do not have any other musicians in my immediate unit, so I figured I could ask here.

Are there any good sutlers? Should I just get an enlisted Frock Coat?
Captain Drew gave you some good advice. You might find a used musicians frock along the way for discount.
 
Getting a regular frock (are we talking Federal?) would be more versatile if you want to carry a rifle as well. Fair warning though, good quality Federal frocks are pretty pricey. I would go with the same uniform the rest of your unit wears to start, again for the sake of versatility. If you already have that and want to invest in a musician's frock then go for it.
Yes, federal impression.
 
Yes, federal impression.
Do you already have a basic kit together? I'm guessing most of the guys in your unit use a standard fatigue blouse. I'd start with that, get a good quality one if you can and go from there. It would be way more versatile and as shown in the photos @RedRover posted perfectly appropriate in the field. If you already have one I would think a good frock would be you're best investment if you'd Iike to dress it up a bit.
 
Do you already have a basic kit together? I'm guessing most of the guys in your unit use a standard fatigue blouse. I'd start with that, get a good quality one if you can and go from there. It would be way more versatile and as shown in the photos @RedRover posted perfectly appropriate in the field. If you already have one I would think a good frock would be you're best investment if you'd Iike to dress it up a bit.
I have a full kit, good quality blouse, trousers, brogans, etc. All I am in need of is a good Frock Coat and a knapsack.
 
I have a full kit, good quality blouse, trousers, brogans, etc. All I am in need of is a good Frock Coat and a knapsack.
In that case I would get them knapsack and leave the frock for later. Blend in with the rest of the boys.
Cheers!
 
I have a full kit, good quality blouse, trousers, brogans, etc. All I am in need of is a good Frock Coat and a knapsack.
You're in good shape then, I agree with above, get yourself a good knapsack, it's something you'll always use. Then work on the frock. A good quality Federal frock the last time I looked around which was a while ago is going to cost around 550, they're quite pricey. But they sure are sharp. Another thing you might want to consider if you don't already have one is a great coat. Don't need them too often but it is sure nice to have when you do. Keep an eye out on the Campaigner Quality Trade Blanket on Facebook. You can catch a good deal on good quality used stuff if you keep an eye on it. Good stuff moves quickly.
 
You're in good shape then, I agree with above, get yourself a good knapsack, it's something you'll always use. Then work on the frock. A good quality Federal frock the last time I looked around which was a while ago is going to cost around 550, they're quite pricey. But they sure are sharp. Another thing you might want to consider if you don't already have one is a great coat. Don't need them too often but it is sure nice to have when you do. Keep an eye out on the Campaigner Quality Trade Blanket on Facebook. You can catch a good deal on good quality used stuff if you keep an eye on it. Good stuff moves quickly.
Thank you!
 
I'm going to put a confirm or deny on this thread. Is it true that the reason for the musician trim was to visually set them apart as non-combatants. This in part because musicians were also pressed into service as stretcher bearers. The highly visible trim was in an attempt to keep them from being shot at?
 
I'm going to put a confirm or deny on this thread. Is it true that the reason for the musician trim was to visually set them apart as non-combatants. This in part because musicians were also pressed into service as stretcher bearers. The highly visible trim was in an attempt to keep them from being shot at?

It had been customary since the revolution for the Army musicians to wear distinctive uniforms... frequently with "reversed colors." In other words, where their corps' uniform was say blue with red facings... the musicians' coat might be red with blue facings, etc.

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This carried over in future decades, with the musicians coats being generally red, with branch facings... and to 1851 red coats for musicians was pretty standard...
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Wearing the fatigue dress, however, the musicians and rank and file would have been dressed identically.
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In 1851, the Army's new uniform was theoretically intended for wear on parade and off. The musicians coat was blue like the rank and file, but with a full branch colored plastron front...
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In the mid-1850s the Army dumped the branch colored facings for more modest branch colored trim round the collar and cuffs, etc.

And for the musicians dumped the full branch colored plastron front of the coat body for the branch colored tape trimming...
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In 1858 the Army adopted a forage cap and fatigue blouse for all branches. This was what was worn principally in the field thereafter, showing no distinction between the rank and file and musicians...

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And even in uniform, during the war, the musicians among the Volunteer troops of the Army seem to have very much made use of the common privates' uniform coats instead of the fully trimmed musicians' coats... as shown in many period photographs.

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