longstreet

[dixieland1861]

Lee should of listened to longstreet. If we would of stayed in virgina gettysburg wouldnt of happened

 

[War Horse]

Lee should of listened to longstreet. If we would of stayed in virgina gettysburg wouldnt of happened

Well Dixieland 1861 I'll be around for moral support if nothing else. This should be interesting.

 

[E_just_E]

Lee should of listened to longstreet. If we would of stayed in virgina gettysburg wouldnt of happened

a. The "of" instead of "had" or "have" is a huge pet peeve
b. Sure, but: 1. This wasn't Lee's biggest mistake in that campaign and 2. Longstreet did not advice him to stay in VA, unless I am missing something

 

[rpkennedy]

a. The "of" instead of "had" or "have" is a huge pet peeve
b. Sure, but: 1. This wasn't Lee's biggest mistake in that campaign and 2. Longstreet did not advice him to stay in VA, unless I am missing something

That is not what Longstreet advised, no.

R

 

[thomas aagaard]

Didn't he actually argue for the moving his troops west during the spring?
(the move that was made some time after Gettysburg)

 

[War Horse]

a. The "of" instead of "had" or "have" is a huge pet peeve
b. Sure, but: 1. This wasn't Lee's biggest mistake in that campaign and 2. Longstreet did not advice him to stay in VA, unless I am missing something

No he didn't, he agreed to move north after his plan to move west to draw off some of the forces threatening Vicksburg away was decided against.

He simply wanted only to fight a defensive campaign in the Keystone state.

That is not what Longstreet advised, no.



Correct, just not his first choice.

R

Didn't he actually argue for the moving his troops west during the spring?
(the move that was made some time after Gettysburg)

He thought by moving west they could draw troops away from the western theater and offer relief there. Once committed to Gettysburg he was all in but became disgruntled once he realized the defensive campaign he thought they were going to fight was quickly turning into an offensive campaign. He even felt mislead by Lee to some degree.

 

[War Horse]

The move into the north was a good idea. The confederacy had to get out of Virginia as the land was depleted. Taking the battle to the enemies territory offered great promise. Fodder, forage and relieve tensions in Richmond. It was a good idea it just went bad for countless reasons.

 

[Dbersh]

The move into the north was a good idea. The confederacy had to get out of Virginia as the land was depleted. Taking the battle to the enemies territory offered great promise. Fodder, forage and relieve tensions in Richmond. It was a good idea it just went bad for countless reasons.

This always confuses me, that they had to go north because the land was depleted. They were only out of Virginia for what 3-4 weeks? However, upon their return the ANV was sustained for almost 2 more years?

 

[War Horse]

This always confuses me, that they had to go north because the land was depleted. They were only out of Virginia for what 3-4 weeks? However, upon their return the ANV was sustained for almost 2 more years?

Do you really call that sustained. They were starving.

 

[Private Watkins]

Longstreet is the kind of guy I can personally relate to; Lee has been deified so much he's just out of my league. What do I find myself having in common with Longstreet...?

• First of all I'm no General Lee, never will be; none of us really ever can be.
• I do some things in my job really well, but I'm no great communicator, schmoozer, or good at politics.
• I'd like to be the boss, have an "independent command", but usually I end up being the guy in second.
• Yes, sometimes I'm hard-headed, jealous, proud... but dang it if people would listen I'm usually right!
• I tend to be politically naive, and expect others to be truthful, honorable, and act with integrity.
• I value honor, courage, loyalty, & integrity, and standing up for what one thinks is right no matter how unpopular.
• I can identify with the pariah, somebody who's been unjustly treated.

So anyway, Longstreet speaks to me in my every day life... I can relate to him in all his humanness, and maybe because of that I hold him in the greatest esteem and respect.

 

[War Horse]

Longstreet is the kind of guy I can personally relate to; Lee has been deified so much he's just out of my league. What do I find myself having in common with Longstreet...?

• First of all I'm no General Lee, never will be; none of us really ever can be.
• I do some things in my job really well, but I'm no great communicator, schmoozer, or good at politics.
• I'd like to be the boss, have an "independent command", but usually I end up being the second in command guy cleaning up other people's messes.
• Yes, sometimes I'm hard-headed, jealous, proud... but dang it if people would listen I'm usually right!
• I tend to be politically naive, and expect others to be truthful, honorable, and act with integrity.
• I value honor, courage, loyalty, & integrity, and standing up for what one thinks is right no matter how unpopular.
• I can identify with the pariah, somebody who's been unjustly treated.

So anyway, Longstreet speaks to me in my every day life... I can relate to him in all his humanness, and maybe because of that I hold him in the greatest esteem and respect.

Don't distress the first step is admittance. Recovery is unlikely I'm afraid.

 

[Dbersh]

Do you really call that sustained. They were starving.

Sorry, it was not a dig. It's an honest question.
I think I understand the premise to Lee's objective to moving north. With a successful campaign, included giving Virginia a break, and if things go as planned, possibly the end of the war.
I also understand, especially at the end of the war they were starving. However, somehow they managed to continue to have supplies to fight for some time.
My question is where were they getting supplies and how.
I apologize, this is outside of the OP. I will do a search for previous threads to my question.

 

[War Horse]

Sorry, it was not a dig. It's an honest question.
I think I understand the premise to Lee's objective to moving north. With a successful campaign, included giving Virginia a break, and if things go as planned, possibly the end of the war.
I also understand, especially at the end of the war they were starving. However, somehow they managed to continue to have supplies to fight for some time.
My question is where were they getting supplies and how.
I apologize, this is outside of the OP. I will do a search for previous threads to my question.

They simply took the meger rations Richmond could supply, the bounty that J.E.B could deliver and forage that was available. They really were a meger lot. No reason to apologize. It's a great question.

 

[rpkennedy]

Sorry, it was not a dig. It's an honest question.
I think I understand the premise to Lee's objective to moving north. With a successful campaign, included giving Virginia a break, and if things go as planned, possibly the end of the war.
I also understand, especially at the end of the war they were starving. However, somehow they managed to continue to have supplies to fight for some time.
My question is where were they getting supplies and how.
I apologize, this is outside of the OP. I will do a search for previous threads to my question.

Most of the Army of Northern Virginia's supplies came from Georgia, North Carolina, and other points south.

R

 

[War Horse]

Most of the Army of Northern Virginia's supplies came from Georgia, North Carolina, and other points south.

R

Which was not nearly enough.

 

[rpkennedy]

Which was not nearly enough.

It would have been enough if the infrastructure was capable of supplying the army.

R

 

[gunny]

a. The "of" instead of "had" or "have" is a huge pet peeve
b. Sure, but: 1. This wasn't Lee's biggest mistake in that campaign and 2. Longstreet did not advice him to stay in VA, unless I am missing something

Are you a wee bit anal retentive? Let the English teacher stay at home. Everyone here is here for historic information - not a lecture on definitions or grammar.

Just relax and enjoy!

We ALL can learn a lot!

 

[Mary763]

Perhaps Lee should have listened to Longstreet and allowed him to go around Little Round Top and come up behind the Union. It would have definitely caused confusion for the Union troops. However, since I'm a Northern girl, I'm glad Longstreet followed orders and sent his troops in where Lee told him too.

 

[thomas aagaard]

not possible. your can't move a corp cross country like that. You need good roads for a move like that.

 

[Jamieva]

Perhaps Lee should have listened to Longstreet and allowed him to go around Little Round Top and come up behind the Union. It would have definitely caused confusion for the Union troops. However, since I'm a Northern girl, I'm glad Longstreet followed orders and sent his troops in where Lee told him too.

Good in theory but they would've seen it coming.