Lockplate identification

[Lost Cause]

If possible, looking to identify this conversion lockplate from an original Brown Bess trade gun. Difficult to see, but the marking on the plate says "ARRANTED." Assuming it originally say warranted. Thanks in advance.

 

[tbuckley]

Would it be possible to post full length photos of the musket?

 

[originalrebelyell]

Yeah I would like to see the complete musket too

 

[tbuckley]

I found my copy of Trade Gun Lock Patterns 1630-1900 by Ryan R. Gale. The decorative motif on the lock plate is similar to that shown for a Philadelphia made trade rifle made by Edward K. Tryon in the 1850s on page 27. It also has similarities to locks imported from England by American gun makers about 1816 - 1832 on page 22, which are marked London Warranted. A guess would be an American made trade musket or rifle made about 1850s or earlier.

 

[Lost Cause]

 

[Lost Cause]

I found my copy of Trade Gun Lock Patterns 1630-1900 by Ryan R. Gale. The decorative motif on the lock plate is similar to that shown for a Philadelphia made trade rifle made by Edward K. Tryon in the 1850s on page 27. It also has similarities to locks imported from England by American gun makers about 1816 - 1832 on page 22, which are marked London Warranted. A guess would be an American made trade musket or rifle made about 1850s or earlier.

Thank you hot your assistance.. I have limited knowledge of Brown Bess muskets. The musket has King George markings as shown on the barrell in the second set of photos attached. I estimate it to be mid 1700s to early 1800s based on the trigger guard, butt plate, etc. It has certainly been rode hard by previous owners based on its poor condition and missing hardware.

 

[originalrebelyell]

I agree it looks like a Engish made trade musket.

 

[originalrebelyell]

It looks like a English trade musket

 

[JOHN42768]

Lots of miles on that piece.

 

[Jobe Holiday]

This is not an English Trade Musket. It is an American restock using British Brown Bess musket parts, most likely from a 3rd Model Bess. The lock is a common commercial lock of the 1820's - 1840's which has been converted from flint lock to percussion ignition some time after it was restocked. This type of restocking was usually the result of the original stock having been broken, and it was very common to upgrade the lock at the same time.
J.

 

[Lost Cause]

This is not an English Trade Musket. It is an American restock using British Brown Bess musket parts, most likely from a 3rd Model Bess. The lock is a common commercial lock of the 1820's - 1840's which has been converted from flint lock to percussion ignition some time after it was restocked. This type of restocking was usually the result of the original stock having been broken, and it was very common to upgrade the lock at the same time.
J.

My original question was to possibly identify the indicated conversion lock plate. I do agree I believe it is comprised of British Brown Bess musket parts (possibly all three generations based on the diagram below). If this is an American musket, did they traditionally stamp the barrells with the crown and King George markings?

 

[Jobe Holiday]

This is not an American Musket, because there is no provision for the use of a bayonet. It is an American Fowling Piece. The barrel is also from the same Brown Bess as the other hardware, therefore proofed in England, not North America, hence the "GR" proof.
I did tell you what the lock is.
What is the barrel length?
J.

 

[Lost Cause]

This is not an American Musket, because there is no provision for the use of a bayonet. It is an American Fowling Piece. The barrel is also from the same Brown Bess as the other hardware, therefore proofed in England, not North America, hence the "GR" proof.
I did tell you what the lock is.
What is the barrel length?
J.

Thank you for your response. I will have the barrel length available in a few days.