Lee Lee is overrated.

[U.S. Grant]

If he's not relevant why did you start this discussion?

Revered. no reverand

Because someone decided to celebrate his birthday. Why is he relevant?

 

[diane]

How?

Good night, friend! I'll talk to you again when you're sober!

 

[cash]

Now that's just plain strange!

It happened at the Crater. Lee did nothing to stop it. Lee also put captured black soldiers to work on fortifications under fire of Union guns.

"Private Harry Bird reported that Confederates after the Battle of the Crater in 1864 quieted wounded black soldiers begging for water 'by a bayonet thrust.' Bird welcomed the subsequent order 'to kill them all'; it was a command 'well and willingly … obeyed.' General Robert E. Lee, only a few hundred yards away, did nothing to intervene." [Drew Gilpin Faust, This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War, p. 46]

 

[Gene Green]

Lee never screwed up the way Jackson did in the Seven Days.

Lee committed the biggest/worst tactical blunder of the war with a possible exception of grant at cold harbor. I pick lee's since it basically lost the war.

 

[U.S. Grant]

Ok?

Maybe we should talk after you read some history. Review the Colfax, La or Tulsa massacre, or white league tactics. I am standing by and good night, friend.

 

[cash]

Lee committed the biggest/worst tactical blunder of the war with a possible exception of grant at cold harbor. I pick lee's since it basically lost the war.

Which was?

 

[diane]

It happened at the Crater. Lee did nothing to stop it. Lee also put captured black soldiers to work on fortifications under fire of Union guns.

"Private Harry Bird reported that Confederates after the Battle of the Crater in 1864 quieted wounded black soldiers begging for water 'by a bayonet thrust.' Bird welcomed the subsequent order 'to kill them all'; it was a command 'well and willingly … obeyed.' General Robert E. Lee, only a few hundred yards away, did nothing to intervene." [Drew Gilpin Faust, This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War, p. 46]

Mahone tried - that was a bad affair all around for sure. No excuses on that one.

 

[diane]

Maybe we should talk after you read some history. Review the Colfax, La or Tulsa massacre, or white league tactics. I am standing by and good night, friend.

Always do! Have you checked out the Reconstruction forum? Some really good information in there on that subject.

 

[cash]

Mahone tried - that was a bad affair all around for sure. No excuses on that one.

I don't see evidence Mahone tried to stop anything at the Crater. It was his men who were doing the killing.

 

[diane]

I don't see evidence Mahone tried to stop anything at the Crater. It was his men who were doing the killing.

Yes, he did - but it was a too little too late thing. We're doing it again! I have to stop associating with you...you have a pocket full of sparkly things!

 

[Gene Green]

Have you ever walked the ground

I have and I agree with longstreet "It is my opinion that no 15,000 men ever arrayed for battle can take that position".

 

[Gene Green]

Which was?

Pickett's charge of course.

 

[Jamieva]

They were not all good men. Lee's slaughtered Americans of African decent when they surrendered, and after they lost the war.

Lets not let facts get in the way of your argument now

 

[Gene Green]

A front a mile wide and a mile from it's objective, across open ground, uphill, against shielded defenders using rifled weapons and cannister grape shot. In July at the double quick. Real smart.

 

[U.S. Grant]

Sorry, I am not sure of your point? Attacking a position at the double quick? Are you suggesting that Grant should not have attempted that? Or something else?

 

[U.S. Grant]

Welcome from Arizona where it's always Sunny... though I disagree with much of your position, I respect your opinion. Like Grant, Lee was forced to coordinate an army with a great variety of field level Ieadership.

He managed to operate quite well, usually against superior numbers, and always against a better equipped adversary. Wonder if Grant could muster similar success given those limitations.

Why do you disagree with my point? When we was the aggressor against an Unionist, he lost. Please, explain why he should be revered?

 

[Gene Green]

Touch screen post

 

[U.S. Grant]

Let's look at the pros and cons of Robert E. Lee as a military commander:

Pros:
He was a great tactician
He inspired and was loved, even idolized by his soliders in many cases
He could read his opponents well and was hard to take by surprise
He was never afraid to take risks when they were needed
He worked well with most of his subordinate commanders


Cons:
He often expected too much from his men and subordinate commanders
He was often too aggressive and would fight a battle when one was not practical
He often issued orders that were unclear or vague to his subordinate commanders
His health was an issue at times during the Civil War

These are what come to mind at the moment. I pcersonally think it would be hard to find another commander on the Confederate roster who could have done better with what he had but like all mortal men, he was not without faults. After the Civil War, he did try to set a good example for Southerners to emulate during the Reconstruction period.

Not true.

 

[U.S. Grant]

He didn't? Seems to me he did everything he learned at West Point - being a professional does not guarantee winning. I'm not sure what you mean by 'synchronizing the rebel's efforts'. He would have to be in command of all the rebel armies - he only commanded the ANV.

As stated before, Lee was in command of the Rebel's efforts when the Army of the Potomac crossed the Rappahannock and defeated COL Lee. Why is he revered?

 

[U.S. Grant]

Touch screen post

Unless we forget...https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states