Just how many Unionist troops where there

[Rebforever]

I did not go beyond what has already been stated. CSA Today quoted the Williams book which does not refer to 11 states; it refers to 'Southerners'. I have not seen Lefty say anything different than that.

Lefty called for 11 states.

 

[NedBaldwin]

Lefty called for 11 states.

Where? When?

 

[CSA Today]

Can you quote him on that? Or can Lefty confirm?
Becuase what I have seen of this discussion, I think you are wrong.

You should ask Lefty, I think he is wrong too.

 

[Rebforever]

Where? When?

Post #3.

 

[NedBaldwin]

You should ask Lefty, I think he is wrong too.

I think you are wrong. I dont need to ask him anything - if you cant demonstrate your accusations, its on you, not him.

 

[CSA Today]

I did not go beyond what has already been stated. CSA Today quoted the Williams book which does not refer to 11 states; it refers to 'Southerners'. I have not seen Lefty say anything different than that.

I didn't quote Williams book, I quoted Lefty hunter from an earlier thread.

 

[NedBaldwin]

Lefty called for 11 states on post #3.

He referred to 11 state regarding what Current's book says.
CSA Today's accusation is about what Williams said in his book.
Get it straight.

 

[Rebforever]

I think you are wrong. I dont need to ask him anything - if you cant demonstrate your accusations, its on you, not him.

CSA Today has showed how wrong you and lefty are. Just admit it and move on.

 

[NedBaldwin]

I didn't quote Williams book, I quoted Lefty hunter from an earlier thread.

The words in quotes in the first post of this thread come from Williams book.

 

[Rebforever]

He referred to 11 state regarding what Current's book says.
CSA Today's accusation is about what Williams said in his book.
Get it straight.

I think you need to go back and refresh yourself.

 

[NedBaldwin]

CSA Today has showed how wrong you and lefty are. Just admit it and move on.

That is so backwards.

 

[thomas aagaard]

"Just how many Unionist troops where there"?

2,778,304... that is the number of enlistments during the entire war, Not the number soldiers under arms at one point.
A guy who signed up as a 90 day soldier, then for 3 years and then again as a veteran... counts for 3.
(if a guy only signed up for the shot duration contracts he might have signed 4-5 contracts... without deserting. not saying it happened, just that is was possible)
Some contracts where 90days, some 100days, a few 6month, some 9month and most 3 years.

If you do the math and add the troops with the calls for soldiers and simply subtract them when their contract runs out, the union forces was at its largest in April 1864 with about 1.889.000 men in total.

But that is made under the idea that no single man ever died, deserted or was for any reason away from his unit...
My main point is that the 2,7 million is rather irrelevant. The real number of troops under arms at a given point is relevant.

 

[NedBaldwin]

I think you need to go back and refresh yourself.

I'm quite refreshed thanks.

Here is CSA Today quoting from Williams' book:

"David Williams doesn't have footnotes to back up the absurdity: "if the nearly half-million southerners who served in the Union military had been with the Confederates, the opposing forces would have been evenly matched."" [Post #1]​

Here is Lefty responding about Williams' book:

"If one considers Mo,Ky, Md, and Wv to be Confederate states and the CSA did recognize Mo ,Ky has CSA states and they never agreed that Wv was a Union stae then by a Confederate definition Williams is quite right."[Post #3]​

It is quite clear that CSA Today was quoting Williams and seemed to know it at the time, despite his denial later.
It is quite clear that Lefty and Williams were talking about more than just the 11 states.

 

[CSA Today]

I'm quite refreshed thanks.

Here is CSA Today quoting from Williams' book:

"David Williams doesn't have footnotes to back up the absurdity: "if the nearly half-million southerners who served in the Union military had been with the Confederates, the opposing forces would have been evenly matched."" [Post #1]​

Here is Lefty responding about Williams' book:

"If one considers Mo,Ky, Md, and Wv to be Confederate states and the CSA did recognize Mo ,Ky has CSA states and they never agreed that Wv was a Union stae then by a Confederate definition Williams is quite right."[Post #3]​

It is quite clear that CSA Today was quoting Williams and seemed to know it at the time, despite his denial later.
It is quite clear that Lefty and Williams were talking about more than just the 11 states.

I don't own Williams' book nor have I read it, everything I've said regarding David Williams has come from lefty hunter. If for some reason I have misquoted him for saying his source (Williams) stated that there were nearly 500,000 Southerners who sided with the unionists he has yet to take me to task for my error.

 

[NedBaldwin]

If for some reason I have misquoted him for saying his source (Williams) stated that there were nearly 500,000 Southerners who sided with the unionists he has yet to take me to task for my error.

No one has accused you of misquoting him on that specific point.
You correctly quoted Williams, who was correct in his statement.

 

[CSA Today]

No one has accused you of misquoting him on that specific point.
You correctly quoted Williams, who was correct in his statement.

Nah. give Lefty the credit, I only quoted him.

 

[leftyhunter]

I'm confused. Seems like a lot of posts are missing on page 1.

Not all the posts made it from the American Indian thread that regarded Unionist troops where transferred to this thread.
Leftyhunter

 

[leftyhunter]

Nah. give Lefty the credit, I only quoted him.

I got to get ready for work I will get back to you tomorrow.
Leftyhunter

 

[CSA Today]

I'm confused. Seems like a lot of posts are missing on page 1.

Yeah, I noticed that too.

 

[Don Dixon]

Dyer's Compendium of the War of the Rebellion is generally considered a dispositive source regarding the composition of the Federal Army in the Civil War. Regarding Federal regiments from the southern states, Dyer states:

Alabama: Cavalry: 1 regiment
Arkansas: Cavalry: 4 regiments
Artillery: 1 battery
Infantry: 3 regiments, 1 battalion
Florida: Cavalry: 2 regiments
Georgia: Infantry: 1 battalion
Kentucky: Cavalry: 17 regiments, 1 battalion
Artillery: 5 batteries
Infantry: 44 regiments, 1 company
Louisiana: Cavalry: 2 regiments
Infantry: 3 regiments
Missouri: Cavalry: 15 regiments, 14 regiments state militia cavalry (limited to service in the state), 10 battalions, 7 companies
Artillery: 32 batteries
Engineers: 1 regiment, 2 companies
Infantry: 44 regiments, 89 regiments enrolled militia, a number of independent companies.
Missouri's organization is very complex and this was a rough , quick count.
Mississippi: Infantry: 1 regiment mounted rifles
North Carolina: Infantry: 2 regiments and 2 regiments mounted infantry
Tennessee: Cavalry: 14 regiments, 2 battalions
Artillery: 8 batteries
Infantry: 9 regiments, 7 regiments mounted infantry, 4 regiments militia infantry
Virginia: Cavalry: 1 battalion rangers
West Virginia: Cavalry: 7 regiments
Artillery: 8 batteries
Infantry: 17 regiments, 1 battalion, 1 independent company
Texas: Cavalry: 1 regiment

U.S. Colored Troops: Cavalry: 6 regiments
Artillery: 14 regiments heavy artillery, 10 batteries
Infantry: 137 regiments

Cavalry and heavy artillery units consisted of 12 companies and infantry regiments 10. If one counts just the regiments, and assigns a nominal initial strength of 1,000 men to them, this would mean a minimum of about 302,000 white southerners under arms as Federal troops. Black troops: 157,000, minimum.

An estimate of 500,00 men from the areas of the deep south and border states would not be too far off of the mark, perhaps even a bit low.

Regards,
Don Dixon