Jurirmann Sword...ACW???

[Specster]

I came across a sword with maybe Prussian Imperial emblem on one side of the ricasso and the word Jurirmann followed by 1855 and smaller print "44" on the other. The scabbard had the same marks. I dont know if this is a year or a serial number. All things considered, its a handsome, heavy sword, but I think it is German all day....right up to and beyond WW1. It is a calvery sword no doubt.

Anyone familiar? Any chance it was used in the ACW?

 

[Jobe Holiday]

I think a photo, or link to a photo, would provide more educated answers!
J.

 

[Specster]

 

[Specster]

When I took the pics I was focusing on my the maker marks. I should have gotten a full view. In retrospect. the sword was very heavy. Much heavier than we used in the states.

 

[Specster]

This is the full view....

 

[Patrick H]

I very much want to see this sword, but the images are so GARGANTUAN that I can't back off far enough to see even the most essential details.

 

[Will Carry]

General Von Brock, CSA, was said to carry a massive straight sword.

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Maybe the wording is just out of focus?

 

[E_just_E]

View attachment 79795 This is the full view....

Thank you, but this is the only one in focus and about the size of a postal stamp

I think that you got the maker's name wrong too, but cannot read it, but that is not a sword maker name.

Looks like a reproduction from here

 

[Glen_C]

Looks like an Austrian cavalry sword to me. Without provenance to the owner during the ACW, association of this sword being used in the ACW is fanciful at best. Any sword made before the war could have been and also used by anyone. In the end, regard the sword, not the stories.

Cheers

 

[rebelyell]

Cant really tell from the photo's

 

[Specster]

I very much want to see this sword, but the images are so GARGANTUAN that I can't back off far enough to see even the most essential details.

Ill try to get a few more full length when I go back.

Im pretty sure its legit. Its Austrian/Prussian Cavalry from the 1850s. It could have been imported for the ACW but I think that is a stretch without serious providence, as others have said. Otherwise, it looks good as to age and construction. Will get more pics.

 

[Specster]

Some more pics. I've now see more of these. Austrian Calvary. Which always add possibly used in acw. I think it's a stretch

 

[Specster]

 

[Glen_C]

Yes, that is the Austrian coat of arms. I am not well versed on these but they have a distinctive enough profile to spot them. There were several civil wars amongst the German states and Austria was briefly allied with Bavaria.

The fellows here could fill in a lot of blanks.
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?11-Antique-amp-Military-Sword-Forum


These are fairly stout swords but the baldes a biit shorter than some. 32" or so of blade kind of the norm. I no nothing about the maker, as I don't have the books.

Cheers

GC

 

[James N.]

For some reason Union Maj. Gen. Irvin McDowell of First Bull Run fame (?) carried an Austrian light cavalry saber, but this isn't anything like the one he carried. I believe this is for a dragoon or heavy cavalryman, and as Glen_C states is unlikely to have been used in our Civil War.

 

[ole]

Heros Von Borke carried a sword that must have been similar to that. It was bigger and heavier than the 1940 or 1860 issue Cavalry saber. But then, he could carry whatever he wanted to.

 

[3rd TN Cav USA]

It's a beauty, but it not a calvary sword, Calvary being the hill where Christ was crucified.It is not a calvery sword, calvery not being a word. It is a cavalry sword. It may seem like nitpicking but I know at least a couple of the country's foremost Civil War cavalry experts are frequent visitors here and I am not alone in having this pronunciation pet peeve. Not to mention my brother-in-law who served in the cavalry in Iraq and Afghanistan who also would, not so gently, correct the pronunciation of his beloved cav. I am not trying to be unpleasant, just trying to inform. Gosh, that got wordy. Anyway, carry on.

 

[Specster]

Yes, that is the Austrian coat of arms. I am not well versed on these but they have a distinctive enough profile to spot them. There were several civil wars amongst the German states and Austria was briefly allied with Bavaria.

The fellows here could fill in a lot of blanks.
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?11-Antique-amp-Military-Sword-Forum


These are fairly stout swords but the baldes a biit shorter than some. 32" or so of blade kind of the norm. I no nothing about the maker, as I don't have the books.

Cheers

GC

Hi

I dont at the moment have a tape measure but I can get that info in the morning. What I can tell you is that is is one heavy sword. I have held the Ames wrist breakers recently and this is at least 1/2 again as heavy. There is some serious workmanship to the sword....Im not sure someone doing a reproduction would go through such pains. The fastener which attaches the handle to the tang looks very smooth - almost too much for the era.....it is perfectly flush on both sides. Yet, at worse, I didnt pay a ton of money and I believe the item to be 80% plus original. The item was sold in a series with the next item being an ACW NCO sword which I am confident is period. The item prior was trench art which was a large shell fashioned into trench art. It had serial number on the base and "Sedan" etch on the side....a very interesting item. I was focused on the sword but once I got it, I started researching the trench art and maybe should have been looking at that instead. There were no less than 5 major battles at Sudan from the 1880s to WW1. Lots of detail work on a large shell.

 

[Specster]

It's a beauty, but it not a calvary sword, Calvary being the hill where Christ was crucified.It is not a calvery sword, calvery not being a word. It is a cavalry sword. It may seem like nitpicking but I know at least a couple of the country's foremost Civil War cavalry experts are frequent visitors here and I am not alone in having this pronunciation pet peeve. Not to mention my brother-in-law who served in the cavalry in Iraq and Afghanistan who also would, not so gently, correct the pronunciation of his beloved cav. I am not trying to be unpleasant, just trying to inform. Gosh, that got wordy. Anyway, carry on.

I was remiss and I knew it was a good possibility that I had the spelling wrong. People on this site have contended that there is a connection between the biblical and military spellings, but that has been argued much and I think the conclusion was there is no connection. Im sure everyone KNEW what I ment, but I guess our brothers in arms deserve, at a minimum, correct pronunciation.

Tx

Spec