Johnston and Lee

Every Appomattox campaign history refers to Lee's goal of linking up with Johnston. Given the general situation it was a logical strategy.....but....how would such a merger of commands look? Can Johnston and Lee's personas be in the same "small" army together?

Of course it never happened....yet the idea of it in framing the campaign is interesting to me. The question I ask myself is just how interested either Lee or Johnston was in such a juncture.... and if at what point the idea was realized to be impossible.
By that time Lee was commanding general of ALL the southern armies (if memory serves me correctly). Johnston was a really good soldier, and would have followed orders after such a merger occurred. Johnston might not have liked it, but he was certainly professional enough to do his job to the best of his ability.
 
By that time Lee was commanding general of ALL the southern armies (if memory serves me correctly). Johnston was a really good soldier, and would have followed orders after such a merger occurred. Johnston might not have liked it, but he was certainly professional enough to do his job to the best of his ability.
Agreed...Johnston certainly was a quality soldier..... I don't remember all the specifics but I recall it was difficult to get him out of "retirement" to come back and command in 65.... Johnston always struck me as a realist .... and I think he realized there wasnt much he could have done with meeting up with Lee
 
I think it's more about how the overall command would've worked. Johnston, Lee, Beauregard ... three very different commanders. Lee would of course be in command, but he and Johnston had very different ideas for how to fight with an army. Johnston was more like Longstreet, a sort of "defense warfare" strategist.
Agreed that the command dynamics could have been touchy. Being subordinate to Lee would not be easy for Johnston, with his prickly personality and ego. Below the surface, Johnston probably had a low level resentment towards Lee, who had taken over command of the ANV from the wounded Johnston, and led it to glory. As far as Lee was concerned, he was most at ease with the crop of officers that he relied on throughout much of the war, and in particular Longstreet. Despite the post-war animosity directed against Longstreet, he and Lee generally worked well together during their long association.
 
Sherman is not going to retreat 100 miles or more back to Wilmington. He just has to hold Johnston in place until Grant arrives. Lee is not going to get that much of a gap from grant as was evidenced by the week from the fall of Petersburg to the surrender. Lee isosing men by the wayside every step the army takes. It was all a pipe dream
 
Agreed...Johnston certainly was a quality soldier..... I don't remember all the specifics but I recall it was difficult to get him out of "retirement" to come back and command in 65.... Johnston always struck me as a realist .... and I think he realized there wasnt much he could have done with meeting up with Lee
You are certainly right. Their fate was sealed. If they were united they would face the united armies of Grant and Sherman, who would destroy the Confederates.
 
I agree......perhaps the war is extended another few weeks....perhaps there is a final battle....or....Grant/Sherman/Sheridan out manuever Lee/Johnston and you have an Appomattox in NC somewhere.....I am not normally a what if person....but this one always has me thinking.
But maybe if the Confederate had held out longer President Lincoln would have had a different theater schedule and Booth would not have gotten his chance.
 
Well Bob, you have to add up a lot of ifs. In the real event Grant was right on Lee's *** and even if the Federals hadn't headed Lee off and captured his trains had he stopped running long enough to resupply Grant could have piled right in on him.

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Grant had numerous options to restore his logistical connection and to reinforce Sherman's army by water borne transport. The real events of Appomattox demonstrate that by April 1865 the Confederates had no way to stop Sheridan's cavalry. And that was going to make Confederate logistics nearly impossible even if Lee had escaped at Appomattox.
 
You are certainly right. Their fate was sealed. If they were united they would face the united armies of Grant and Sherman, who would destroy the Confederates.
And if the battle included Sherman's veterans that knew the war had been needlessly prolonged, and Gibbon's USCTs, the possible outcomes are dreadful. It was a battle to be avoided.
 
Sherman is not going to retreat 100 miles or more back to Wilmington. He just has to hold Johnston in place until Grant arrives. Lee is not going to get that much of a gap from grant as was evidenced by the week from the fall of Petersburg to the surrender. Lee isosing men by the wayside every step the army takes. It was all a pipe dream
Which suggests that it wasn't really a military plan. It was a plan to separate Lee and the Army of No. Virginia from the Confederate government. The surrender was just postponed until there was unmistakable evidence that it was necessary.
 
Which suggests that it wasn't really a military plan. It was a plan to separate Lee and the Army of No. Virginia from the Confederate government. The surrender was just postponed until there was unmistakable evidence that it was necessary.
It wouldn't even matter whether Lee's army was separated from the government or not. Whenever the Army of Northern Virginia surrendered it meant that the war would end (would still have to "pick up the pieces," with small battles and skirmishes occurring here and there, of course, as actually happened in real life).
 
Grant had numerous options to restore his logistical connection and to reinforce Sherman's army by water borne transport. The real events of Appomattox demonstrate that by April 1865 the Confederates had no way to stop Sheridan's cavalry. And that was going to make Confederate logistics nearly impossible even if Lee had escaped at Appomattox.
^This.
Interesting speculations aside, at this point the war is over. The only reason Lee is contemplating the move is because it's the only long shot that makes any kind of sense. But there is no answer to a ~12,000 mounted infantry corps de chasse hounding every step.
 
^This.
Interesting speculations aside, at this point the war is over. The only reason Lee is contemplating the move is because it's the only long shot that makes any kind of sense. But there is no answer to a ~12,000 mounted infantry corps de chasse hounding every step.
Backed by Gibbon's part of the Army of the James, who could see victory and abolition getting closer day by day.
 
^This.
Interesting speculations aside, at this point the war is over. The only reason Lee is contemplating the move is because it's the only long shot that makes any kind of sense. But there is no answer to a ~12,000 mounted infantry corps de chasse hounding every step.
Sheridan's divisions were probing every gap in the Confederate retreat. It wasn't Maryland any longer. Every Confederate that fell behind was probably picked by the cavalry, fed a few rations, and marched back to the US infantry. Every separation was permanent That conclusion is supported by the quote attributed to General Ewell: This is just murder now.
 
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