Is this sword longer than usual?

[JAGwinn]

Confederate Bugler, John T. Westmorland, Danville Mounted Riflemen.

Story here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb...rs/Karen Hett/biographies/jtwestmoreland.html

 

[Glen_C]

The photo is not of the listed individual, simply listed as a Confederate bugler.

Second, the photo is deceptive, as we are seeing the saddle as well. A clear and enlarged image will show the branches of the guard more clearly. The perspective of the view is deceiving as well, looking upwards to the individual.

A stock photo from the Smithsonian of a man straight on with a light cavalry sword

Merry Christmas from Dick Tater

 

[JAGwinn]

The photo is not of the listed individual, simply listed as a Confederate bugler.

There has not been discovered any photo of this ancestor, but was included in his biography. My question was solely for the dimension of the sword.

Second, the photo is deceptive, as we are seeing the saddle as well. A clear and enlarged image will show the branches of the guard more clearly. The perspective of the view is deceiving as well, looking upwards to the individual.

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A stock photo from the Smithsonian of a man straight on with a light cavalry sword

This is not John, either!

 

[Glen_C]

A blade about "30-32" on this militia officer type sword.

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/lt-col-charles-b-norton.76778/

 

[Glen_C]

Your parsed reply obfuscates that you did indeed introduce the image as a specific individual. You then question a mention of photographic perspective without any reply except ??. Offered a photo of a sword for comparison, clearly identified as to provenance, you still don't seem to get the matter of perspective.

That's fine, I then offer another clearly identified photograph for scale to answer your initial query. Note the saddle Norton is sitting on and the original photo of a bugler you posted.

If none of that makes any sense to you, it is again another matter of perspective and I respectfully offer only Happy Holidays as anything else I can supply.

Cheers

GC

 

[JAGwinn]

Your parsed reply obfuscates that you did indeed introduce the image as a specific individual. You then question a mention of photographic perspective without any reply except ??. Offered a photo of a sword for comparison, clearly identified as to provenance, you still don't seem to get the matter of perspective.

As an AutoCAD/engineer designer, I do understand perspective.
This thread was introduced to the Arms and Ammunition forum as concerns the sword.
Had I intended what you propose I would have posted in Genealogy forum.

If trickery is discovered, then I humbly beg your pardon and ask that the moderator terminate this posting.

Concerning the perspective - if the soldier were holding the sword toward the camera, then that would be the 'shortened view'. However, at 90 degrees, it is true length. From saddle pommel to knee of rear leg is more than 30".

Merry Christmas to you and yours!

 

[Glen_C]

Well, as an AutoCAD/engineer designer are you able to enlarge and enhance the original picture? What I have implied is that the image makes the sword look long due to the saddle in the same line. The mounted bugler's sword would have a scabbard roughly 38"-40" long. Norton's swtraight sword with a scabbard rough;y 34"-36" despite a blade no longer than 32"

If you can work on the image, you can then annotate that with some rough estimates.

 

[mofederal]

I like the image. It is very interesting to say the least. I thought it was a lance at first, but a shorter one. Thanks @JAGwinn for the thread. It is interesting sword, whatever it length. I know Camp Butler, my father is buried there, and it is near where I was born. I wish some parts of the Civil War Camp and training area still existed.

 

[UCVRelics]

There is a lot going on in the photo above where the grip is so its hard to tell but it appears he has a model 1860 cavalry sword which was 41 inches long.

 

[JAGwinn]

I know Camp Butler, my father is buried there, and it is near where I was born.

Born and raised in Virden, 25mi South in Macoupin county. Where is your hometown?

 

[captaindrew]

If you blow it up and look closely it looks like he is pulling the sword from the scabbard and has it about halfway out making from a distance appear longer than normal.

 

[mofederal]

Clinton, Dewitt County Ill.

 

[Story]

If you blow it up and look closely it looks like he is pulling the sword from the scabbard and has it about halfway out making from a distance appear longer than normal.

As previously appearing on CWT

from https://civilwartalk.com/threads/a-provost-cavalry-thread-blue-and-gray.117359/

 

[kevikens]

Perhaps it is a very short soldier on a very small horse. The bugle actually seems to be in the right proportion to say a saber like the Model 1840.

 

[Richard E. Schenk]

It would appear to be a M1840 mounted artillery saber.

 

[JAGwinn]

Clinton, Dewitt County Ill.

Awesome! Clinton possesses one of the great statues of Lincoln, The President, (standing) by Van Den Bergen, which was presented to the city by a few of its citizens who were ardent admirers of this great man. It was here that he made one of his outstanding speeches during his campaign for presidency.

 

[yulzari]

Definitely a half drawn sword. The scabbard starts at halfway across his thigh.

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Well done to all who noted the sword being partially withdrawn!
J.

 

[Patrick H]

Do his arms look long enough to draw it out?