If Stuart didn't write the Lost Order, Who Did?

[Deleted member 2888]

The question of for reasonably serious, interested folks. If Stuart, who? See Who Wrote Special Order 191? at americancivilwar.com.

 

[K Hale]

Richard Chilton.

 

[Nathanb1]

 

[Glorybound]

Go Nate! Yeah!

 

[khalleron]

Natthanb1, I am soooooo stealing that!

 

[Nathanb1]

I have to give Savez credit for the first time I saw it....I was enamored and searched until I found it, and actually managed to use it. I'm going to have to restrain myself.

 

[Scholastica]

As funny as a picture of a guy hitting a dead horse with a stick is... I don't get the joke. >_>

 

[Glorybound]

Many of our threads get worked to death, with folks posting the same things many times over, that they've already posted in other threads. That repetition of a familiar theme, or the same argument continually put forth, ad nauseum, is what we refer to as "beating a dead horse". The horse is already dead, and beating it further is fruitless, pointless, repetitive, unnecessary, but we keep doin' it anyway. That's what we do.



Lee

 

[Scholastica]

Oh. Hahahahaha! That makes sense and makes me laugh now. Thank you.

 

[K Hale]

Natthanb1, I am soooooo stealing that!

Count me in as another thief! Great image!

 

[Stonewall1982]

Hilarious! I get the "dead horse" reference, but what is with the Richard Chilton reference? I goggled it and got the name of some billionaire. Thanks. BYW, that image should go on every "new" thread that startes the same topic. :veryhappy

 

[Nathanb1]

Richard H. Chilton was Lee's adjutant. If you google his name with "order 191" you'll get several accounts (along with the discussion of whether or not it was a plant)

 

[Stonewall1982]

Richard H. Chilton was Lee's adjutant. If you google his name with "order 191" you'll get several accounts (along with the discussion of whether or not it was a plant)

Excuse me while I smack myself! I knew that but had in my brain that horse picture so I couldn't find that file. :hmmm:

 

[Nathanb1]

It IS rather distracting.....

 

[K Hale]

Richard H. Chilton was Lee's adjutant. If you google his name with "order 191" you'll get several accounts (along with the discussion of whether or not it was a plant)

Specifically:
Who Lost the Lost Order?

 

[ole]

And. Did "Bloody Bill" Anderson die a natural, age-related death in Texas?

 

[M E Wolf]

Ole, sir;

According to the Internet search on who he was: Wickipedia came up with this:

William T. "Bloody Bill" Anderson (circa 1839 – October 26, 1864) was a pro-Confederate guerrilla leader in the American Civil War.

Anderson was known for his brutality towards Union soldiers, who were called Jayhawkers, and pro-Union civilians in Missouri and Kansas. Anderson participated in Quantrill's raid on Lawrence, Kansas on August 21, 1863. An estimated 200 civilian men and boys were reported to have been killed and many homes and buildings in Lawrence were burned to the ground.

On October 26, 1864 Anderson was killed after he and his men were lured into an ambush near the hamlet of Albany, which is now part of Orrick, in Ray County, Missouri. The ambush was carried out by a group of militiamen lead by Colonel Samuel P. Cox.[1]

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O.R.--SERIES I--VOLUME XLI/1 [S# 83]
AUGUST 29-DECEMBER 2, 1864.--Price's Missouri Expedition.
No. 52.--Report of Lieut. Col. Samuel P. Cox, Thirty-third Infantry Enrolled Missouri Militia.
HDQRS. THIRTY-THIRD REGT. ENROLLED MISSOURI MIL.,
Richmond, Mo., October 27, 1864.
DEAR SIR: We have the honor to report the result of our expedition on yesterday against the notorious bushwhacker, William T. Anderson, and his forces, near Albany, in the southwest corner of this county (Ray).

Learning his whereabouts we struck camp on yesterday morning and made a forced march and came in contact with their pickets about a mile this side of Albany; drove them in and through Albany and into the woods beyond. We dismounted our men in the town, threw our infantry force into the woods beyond, sending a cavalry advance who engaged the enemy and fell back, when Anderson and his fiendish gang, about 300 strong, raised the Indian yell and came in full speed upon our lines, shooting and yelling as they came. Our lines held their position without a break. The notorious bushwhacker, Anderson, and one of his men, supposed to be Captain Rains, son of General Rains, charged through our lines. Anderson was killed and fell some fifty steps in our rear, receiving two balls in the side of the head. Rains made his escape and their forces retreated in full speed, being completely routed; our cavalry pursued them some ten miles, finding the road strewn with blood for miles. We hear of them scattered in various directions, some considerable force of them making their way toward Richfield, in Clay County. We captured on Anderson private papers and orders from General Price that identify him beyond a doubt.

I have the honor to report that my officers and men conducted themselves well and fought bravely on the field. We had 4 men wounded; lost none. The forces of my command consisted of a portion of Major Grimes', of Ray County, Fifty-first Regiment Enrolled Missouri Militia, and a portion of the Thirty-third Enrolled Missouri Militia, from Daviess and Caldwell Counties.
Respectfully, yours,
S. P. COX,
Lieut. Col., Comdg. Thirty-third Regt. Enrolled Missouri Militia.
General CRAIG.

Official credibility it seems.

Respectfully submitted,
M. E. Wolf

 

[ole]

Didn't want to hijack the thread, M E. But such silliness exists. The "controversy" over Bloody Bill's non-death and who wrote the lost order and did Jesse James fake his own death are equally vapid.

I had not been aware that Stuart might have written the lost order. It has been my understanding that Lee issued 191 and sent a copy to D.H. Hill. As Hill reported to Jackson, Stonewall copied it and sent it to Hill. The one that was found was written by Chilton. Hill had the order, from Jackson, so knew nothing of the original. The guy who wrapped it over cigars has never, to my knowledge, ever stepped forward to claim the "honor" of dropping it somewhere when he was looking for eggs.

 

[K Hale]

The order is in Chilton's handwriting, as recognized by a Union officer on McClellan's staff (I forget whom) who had served with Chilton before the war.

 

[prroh]

The order is in Chilton's handwriting, as recognized by a Union officer on McClellan's staff (I forget whom) who had served with Chilton before the war.

The officer did not serve with Chilton. Chilton was an army QM and the staff officer was a local businessman who did lots of business with the Army. he recognized Chilton's handwriting from pre-war receipts, business correspondance, etc.

Didn't we just have a dragged out thread with someone claimining the S.O. was written by Stuart as some sort of hoax? Problem was handwriting looked nothing like Stuart's and details of the hoax had more holes than a pound of lacey Swiss