Help with reading this name

OK, I looked at the list of all Union soldiers who had these conditions:
1) given name starts with "J";
2) middle name starts with "W" or no middle name/initial is recorded in the service record;
3) last name starts with "M";
4) last name ends in "Y";
5) last name contains no other letters which go above or below the line (e.g., t, l, g, p, etc.)
6) was enlisted or discharged as an officer, excluding surgeons and chaplains (note: yes, if he was an enlisted man, was promoted to officer, and then demoted to enlisted again, then I'd miss him. I would also miss those whose rank was not recorded at all). I also excluded those who enlisted and were discharged as CAPT or above (i.e., never a Lieutenant).
7) did not have a capital letter after the first letter of the last name (e.g., McCoy, McMurray, etc.)

These conditions aren't foolproof but I think that they are reasonable given the evidence.

I'm left with 22 candidates as follows:

GivenMiddleSurnameRank In/OutCompanyRegiment
JohnW.Massey1LQM/1LRQ3rd Btn., PA Inf.
JohnW.Murray1LT/1LTH72nd IL Inf.
JohnW.Murray1LT/1LTSignal Corps, US Vols.
JamesMurray1LT/1LTPalmer's Ind. Co., PA Inf.
JamesMurray1LT/CAPTH28th WI Inf.
JohnMooney1SGT/2LTB,A9th NH Inf.
JamesMarony/Maroony/Marony/Maroney2LT/1LTE,I17th MA Inf.
JamesMassey2LT/2LTF137th U.S. Col'd Inf.
JohnMooney2LT/2LTH155th PA Inf.
JohnMurray2LT/2LTF20th NY State Mil.
JosephMurray2LT/2LTE5th NY Hvy. Art.
JohnMurrayADJT/ADJTF&S83rd NY Inf.
JamesMurray/MurreyCPL/2LTH9th IL Cav.
JosephMurrayCPL/2LTG63rd NY Inf.
JohnMooneyENS/CAPTFCH18th NY Inf.
JohnW.MurrayLT/LTC7th NY State Mil.
JohnMasseyPVT/1LTGFE37th NY Inf.
JeremiahMooney/MoonyPVT/CAPTC107th PA Inf.
JohnMoreyPVT/LTAEG34th NY Inf.
JohnMacey/MacySGT/1LTD B69th IN Inf.
JacobMerySGT/CAPTBKD37th OH Inf.
JosephW.MoreySGT/LTKDF17th NY Inf.

I think that some more of these can be excluded by eye-balling it but I leave that to others.
 
The 71st was a three month unit, July to October 1862.
Only one Murray shows up in the online IL rolls and he's a Private, different company and first name.

I'm going to throw the dice that these two are one-in-the-same.
JohnW.Murray1LT/1LTH72nd IL Inf.
JohnW.Murray1LT/1LTSignal Corps, US Vols.
 
On sale at ebay for one more day.
That's why it's so important to share all the information that's available. There's a lot more information available in the listing that might help in figuring out who the subject of the photograph is. If it was easy, a positive ID would accompany the listing and it would be a lot more expensive. :D
1. According to the backmark, the image was taken (or reproduced) in Chicago, IL at Shaw's Gallery
2. Shaw's Gallery is located on Clark Street.
3. The image was donated to the Minnesota Historical Society on October 22, 1924
4. The Minnesota Historical Society is located in St. Paul, MN
5. The donor of the image was "Mrs. C H Mills"
6. Under the donor's name is written "Chicago, Illinois" so Mrs C H Mills lived in Chicago or was from there?
7. Mrs C H Mills would have had to be married before October 1924 and still alive
8. The subject is ID'd in ink on the back as Munny, J W (not that it helps, but maybe it's a clue?)
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According to this mention in the Chicago Tribune, Shaw's Gallery is confirmed as operating at Clark Street in 1867.
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Chicago Tribune., January 23, 1867, page 4.

And according to this mention in 1868, the gallery was for sale.
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Chicago Tribune., March 27, 1868, page 4.

EDIT TO ADD: Apparently, it did not sell. In 1875, William Shaw's gallery is reported to have been operating at Clark Street for 15 years - which would date its origin to 1860.
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Chicago Daily Tribune., February 20, 1875, page 9.
 
For those thinking of adding this cdv to their collection, take a moment. You should be aware that in all liklihood the Minnesota Historical Society did not derequisition this item from its collection, rather it is much more likely that this image was "appropriated" by an individual without any authority. This is strictly my opinion, but when was the last time your state historical society sold off any part of its collection? Especially smaller, relatively inexpensive (but historically valuable) items such as cdvs?
 
John W. Murray of the 72nd Illinois could fit. The 72nd was a Chicago unit. Murray was 32 when he enlisted and the man in the photo looks older. He was 6' 1", had brown hair, blue eyes, and a light complexion. That also fits the photo.

At the time of enlistment Murray listed his occupation as 'saddler.' The only John Murray I find in Chicago after the War with the same birth year and place (Scotland) was a coal merchant. He died in 1917. His obituary did not mention his military service.
 
John W. Murray of the 72nd Illinois could fit. The 72nd was a Chicago unit. Murray was 32 when he enlisted and the man in the photo looks older. He was 6' 1", had brown hair, blue eyes, and a light complexion. That also fits the photo.

At the time of enlistment Murray listed his occupation as 'saddler.' The only John Murray I find in Chicago after the War with the same birth year and place (Scotland) was a coal merchant. He died in 1917. His obituary did not mention his military service.

Did you check the Signal Corps entries for that name?
 
Looks as if it sold for $117. I like CDVs, and I can imagine paying that much if I had some connection to the image -- especially a family connection, but maybe also a geographical connection or other interest in the soldier's unit. Or if there was something extraordinary about the subject matter. It certain adds value that the subject is identifiable and there's an imprint on the back.
ARB
 
Hi everyone this is my first post here; I was the winner of the CDV on eBay. I just discovered this thread while researching John W. Murray, and was excited to see that others thought it might be him too. My great-great-grandfather served in Company D of the 72nd Illinois. My small collection of ~20 images includes 8 from the 72nd I've been able to acquire over the past 5 years, so I'm excited to potentially have another.

It was nice seeing a familiar name in this thread, too. Bob from Gopher Records recently helped me gather some records from the 72nd as I work on putting together my ancestor's story. The next time I order a batch from him, I'll definitely get J.W. Murray's service record to see if he was an aide de camp, and get one step closer to a positive I.D. on this image. I'll let you know what I find!
 
Hi everyone this is my first post here; I was the winner of the CDV on eBay. I just discovered this thread while researching John W. Murray, and was excited to see that others thought it might be him too. My great-great-grandfather served in Company D of the 72nd Illinois. My small collection of ~20 images includes 8 from the 72nd I've been able to acquire over the past 5 years, so I'm excited to potentially have another.

It was nice seeing a familiar name in this thread, too. Bob from Gopher Records recently helped me gather some records from the 72nd as I work on putting together my ancestor's story. The next time I order a batch from him, I'll definitely get J.W. Murray's service record to see if he was an aide de camp, and get one step closer to a positive I.D. on this image. I'll let you know what I find!
Welcome, enjoy
 
Hi everyone this is my first post here; I was the winner of the CDV on eBay. I just discovered this thread while researching John W. Murray
That's great that you joined as a result of this discussion -- welcome, and we're glad we have contributed to your research! That sounds like a fascinating collection that you have, and I'll bet you thought the price was 100% worth it!
ARB
 
Hi everyone this is my first post here; I was the winner of the CDV on eBay. I just discovered this thread while researching John W. Murray, and was excited to see that others thought it might be him too. My great-great-grandfather served in Company D of the 72nd Illinois. My small collection of ~20 images includes 8 from the 72nd I've been able to acquire over the past 5 years, so I'm excited to potentially have another.

It was nice seeing a familiar name in this thread, too. Bob from Gopher Records recently helped me gather some records from the 72nd as I work on putting together my ancestor's story. The next time I order a batch from him, I'll definitely get J.W. Murray's service record to see if he was an aide de camp, and get one step closer to a positive I.D. on this image. I'll let you know what I find!
Oh we are gonna have so much fun with a member who has a site called Civil War Photo Sleuth! Anytime you want to stop by the Researching Civil War Records and Ancestry forum with a question or a suggestion please do.
 

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