Help please. Uniform Info? Date? Post-war?

[lelliott19]

Need some help please.

Can anyone help with info and a date for the uniforms in the images below? Is this a post-war image?

Sorry for the small size and poor quality. It's all I've got. Maybe @Mike Serpa can work his magic and lighten them up? Thanks in advance for your help.

@major bill @ucvrelics.com @AndyHall @Package4 @Patrick H

 

[7th Mississippi Infantry]

My 'gut feeling' is post War, circa 1870's perhaps ?

But I defer to the experts !

 

[lelliott19]

My 'gut feeling' is post War, circa 1870's perhaps ?

But I defer to the experts !

Thanks. From the age and size of some of those in the group, a military academy? How long after the war until the southern military academies opened back up?

 

[Mike Serpa]

The first two photos look the same to me. Maybe a little more detail can be seen.

Trying to do a google image search but my computer is acting up. (Again.)

 

[WJC]

Possibly a military school unit?

 

[UCVRelics]

I'm leaning Indian War State troops. The officer on the left is wearing a medal of some sort and is the only one with one.

 

[Legion Para]

Many factors come into play when trying to identify or date an image.

What type of images are these?

What size are these images?

Are these images from a book or the Internet?

 

[lelliott19]

Many factors come into play when trying to identify or date an image. What type of images are these? What size are these images?Are these images from a book or the Internet?

I don't actually have the photo in hand. Its about 4x6 (no measurements provided) and looks like an albumen mounted on badly worn and broken card stock. It's an actual in-person image - not a book or internet.

The first two photos look the same to me. Maybe a little more detail can be seen. Trying to do a google image search but my computer is acting up. (Again.)

Yes. All the attached images are sections of one photo. The two that are the same/similar are the right side of the image and the other one is the left side of the image. Thanks for lightening them up! Oh and no need to google search them. The image is not on the internet or in any book as far as I know.

Does anyone know when military academies in the south resumed operation after the war?

 

[Billw12280]

Need some help please.

Can anyone help with info and a date for the uniforms in the images below? Is this a post-war image?

Sorry for the small size and poor quality. It's all I've got. Maybe @Mike Serpa can work his magic and lighten them up? Thanks in advance for your help.
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@major bill @ucvrelics.com @AndyHall @Package4 @Patrick H

The image is not real clear but I'm thinking post war military academy? The officers in the front appear to be wearing shoulder knots which may be late war but they could also be the 1872 pattern. The kepis look to be the later date as well due to the height. It's hard to make out but the officers appear to be holding the 1860 staff and field officer sword. Due to the flimsy construction, the 1860 model was not well received early on so it was rare during the ACW but was made regulation for all officers except medical officers, paymasters, and mounted officers, during the IW (1872 IIRC). This is just speculation because I cant make them out real well but the belts could be the bullion striped sword belts for line officers and, it looks like, they MAY have the 1874 pattern eagle belt since the belt loop is not visible. In 1872 the regulations did away with single breasted frock coats as well. If I'm seeing these things correctly I would say this is a post 1879 image as, from 1872-1879 the frock coat would have had bullion on the officers sleeves.

 

[lelliott19]

The image is not real clear but I'm thinking post war military academy? The officers in the front appear to be wearing shoulder knots which may be late war but they could also be the 1872 pattern. The kepis look to be the later date as well due to the height. It's hard to make out but the officers appear to be holding the 1860 staff and field officer sword. Due to the flimsy construction, the 1860 model was not well received early on so it was rare during the ACW but was made regulation for all officers except medical officers, paymasters, and mounted officers, during the IW (1872 IIRC). This is just speculation because I cant make them out real well but the belts could be the bullion striped sword belts for line officers and, it looks like, they MAY have the 1874 pattern eagle belt since the belt loop is not visible. In 1872 the regulations did away with single breasted frock coats as well. If I'm seeing these things correctly I would say this is a post 1879 image as, from 1872-1879 the frock coat would have had bullion on the officers sleeves.

Whoa! Thanks @Billw12280 Thats a ton of info from such a poor quality image! Since I know next to nothing about uniforms, I was just guessing it was post war from the mustache on the officer out front on the right.

I am trying to learn and appreciate you taking a look and taking the time to provide such a detailed explanation!

 

[Billw12280]

Whoa! Thanks @Billw12280 Thats a ton of info from such a poor quality image! Since I know next to nothing about uniforms, I was just guessing it was post war from the mustache on the guy on the right.

I am trying to learn and appreciate you taking a look and taking the time to provide such a detailed explanation!

I'm still learning as well and my eyes aren't the best even with glasses on so somebody could come through and tell me I'm wrong but that is my feeling for this photo.

I'm glad to help when I can, but I love to sit back and learn from this site, there are a lot of great and knowledgeable people here.

 

[ikesdad]

Post war. The hat insignias are not CW. The firearms are of some shortened pattern such as cadet issue.

 

[Billw12280]

This is the style belt I think they are wearing. Looking at the officer on the right I think I can just make out the lines on the belt.

 

[Billw12280]

Keep in mind also that if this is a State unit/military academy they may not have strictly adhered to the uniform regulations so an exact date may be hard to pinpoint.

 

[Package4]

Need some help please.

Can anyone help with info and a date for the uniforms in the images below? Is this a post-war image?

Sorry for the small size and poor quality. It's all I've got. Maybe @Mike Serpa can work his magic and lighten them up? Thanks in advance for your help.
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@major bill @ucvrelics.com @AndyHall @Package4 @Patrick H

Military school, the officers caps have a gold braided cord, indicating well post war, the low rise to the kepi is post war as well. The age of the troops in the second rank coupled with the length of the musket/rifles is indicative of a post war military school (cadet muskets). They are standing at "rest", so the lockplates are not visible, the tunics are consistent with both military school and state NG. I think the key to identification would be to somehow get a very clean copy and blow up to see the detail on the kepis.

 

[major bill]

I agree with Package4. If we could get a clear blowup we might be able to identify the school.

 

[SeaSoldier]

I'll throw another "boomerang" into the mess. Marines did wear shoulder knows (called Russian Knots) on their field uniforms. The officer on the left is wearing the braiding favored by Marines. Marines during and post CW wore Army type swords as well as Mameluk (SP?). My emblem: French Horn with Old English E would have been the cap device but with a wreath. Marine musicians work double or single rows of buttons and the uniforms displayed here on what I assume are enlisted are triple breasted meaning army. So, my observations I feel that this is either a military academy group or a state guard or militia group. Sorry for such a late post.

 

[tbuckley]

To me the arms that they are holding look too short for muskets or rifles and too long for carbines. I would also guess a post war military academy or drill team.

 

[Patrick H]

I think it's definitely a military school photo--perhaps of a graduating class or perhaps of the entire student body and faculty. The young men are all wearing "kaydet" (cadet) jackets. We used to have these in two different eras at Kemper Military School in my home town of Boonville, Missouri.

Look to the uniforms of the faculty, with epaulets on their shoulders, etc. I can't give you a date for those, but someone can.

 

[Package4]

I think it's definitely a military school photo--perhaps of a graduating class or perhaps of the entire student body and faculty. The young men are all wearing "kaydet" (cadet) jackets. We used to have these in two different eras at Kemper Military School in my home town of Boonville, Missouri.

Look to the uniforms of the faculty, with epaulets on their shoulders, etc. I can't give you a date for those, but someone can.

Unfortunately, those tunics were emblematic of many state militias and military schools post war, I believe the answer lies in the "cadet" type weapons and the insignia on the kepi. The low crown kepi tells us this is most likely post war.