Help identifying old Springfield rifle

Thanks, I would love to know more about them. The biggest one doesn't have a plug but has some simple design carving on the top, it's about 15" long-horn part only. The medium one has a nice screw in plug, and I would love to know what animal the green one comes from--hey I bet it has something to do with the term green horn?? :D
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Welcome from Tennessee!

I don't know which is nicer, the gun or the horns!!
Have fun researching, learning and setting up a presentation of this tangible history in your home!

Darren
 
The musket is a M1812 type 1. The rear facing barrel band springs are a dead give away. Production for the type 1 was limited to 1815, and of the 8 primary variations of the M1812 (yes there are 8!) the type 1 is one of the more uncommon varieties.
The Standard Model of 1812 was developed by M.T. Wickham. Several prototypes were produced at Harpers Ferry in 1812-13 and sent to the Springfield Arsenal for production. The War of 1812 prevented the re-gearing of the armory to produce the 1812, and production of the 1795 type muskets continued into 1814. Some 1795 type muskets were probably produced in 1815, and the exact switchover sate to the M1812 is unknown.
The earliest M1812 muskets (such as yours) were built with some leftover components of the 1795 muskets, including trigger guards, barrel bands and band springs. Production was discontinued in 1815 and Type 2 production began.
Proper M1812 muskets (the type 2) are identified by their short, stubby "stud bands" developed by M.T. Wickham, and a front band that somewhat resembles the bands of M1835/40 and M1842 muskets. Production of the type 2 was discontinued in 1816. Concurrent with the production of M1812 type 2 two other variations were produced; one variety with a reshaped 1813 dated 1795 type lock, and another that was slightly shorter that the standard 42" barrel muskets. The shorter muskets are referred to as "Special Purpose Muskets" by collectors, as it is unclear what their intended use was for. It is unknown how many of each variety were produced, however production records for 1816 are available and feature these 3 types of muskets.
Towards the 3rd quarter of 1816 band springs were changed to conventional long band forward facing springs, in accordance with the new M1816 design. The stock configuration with the high comb and recessed cheek rest was likewise dismissed in 1816 and replaced with a stock that looks much more like a standard M1816 stock. These would represent variations 5 and 6.
In 1817 the lock markings and barrel proofings were changed. Some muskets were produced with an convex arched SPRINGFIELD behind the hammer, as seen on some early 1795 type muskets. Another variant was produced with M1816 style lock markings, abet on a flat, beveled edged M1812 lock. Final production of M1812 muskets concluded in the early days of 1818, and the model was supplanted with the M1816 musket series (M1816, 1822, 1828).

American Military Shoulder Arms, Vol. 2 has some excellent information on this musket series, as they are generally misunderstood by collectors, and either lumped in with the 1795 type muskets, or M1816 series. However, they are the first regulation American made pattern arm produced at the National armories (the 1795 muskets being direct copies of M1763/66 French muskets).

Cheers,
Garrett
 
I had no trouble at all to ID this old musket when I saw your close up photos. I have ones just like that. An old gun that was left in a room when it was painted white! (he room that is.)
The "V" is a proof mark which simply stands for "viewed."The is some different opinion on just what were proofed. Later many guns were "test fired" with heavy loads of powder. Some say, at this time, on one of a batch was actually fired. This was only the barrel proof. The complete weapon was inspected by a US officer and he stamped the stock with his initials in a circle which is referred to as a "cartouche." The barrel proof was usually done with a gauge. For example, the P-53 Enfield, for export is marked with, a "24 - 24" or a "25 -25" on the left side of the barrel. The two numbers stand for the gauge of the breach and muzzle. It would be 25 gauge or 24 gauge only if both measurements were the same.
 
I forgot to mention on your gun. The value is as a converted weapon to percussion. If it were in its original flintlock condition its value would be more than double.
 
Wow thanks so much to everyone I am so thankful for all of this information. I am going to put it all together and keep it with the gun. I am so glad I asked, the lady that gave it to me said she thought is some old squirrel hunting gun, which I'm sure it could be but now with a much richer history!
 
Nice gun give it a little cleaning put some oil on it to keep it from rusting and hang it up and enjoy it.
 
Wow, I somehow host track of this thread before the powder horns were posted. I'm so glad rebelyell posted to it today. Those are nice horns!
 
WELCOME! And thanks for posting! I have enjoyed this conversation much ! Very weapon congratulations!
 
Hello and welcome to the talk forum from Southeast Missouri on the banks of the frozen Mississippi River. A very nice rifle. I like the early ones. A lot of character which carries a great history of time, a traveler from another place and age.
 
Hello, I'm trying to correctly identify an old rifle given to me and I've exhausted my research abilities. Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated! what I think this is: A Springfield Model 1812 conversion made in 1815. I have seen mention of Types I, II, & III but have no idea which type this is. Is it of any value or just a nice decorative piece? Thank you!View attachment 128758 View attachment 128759
Congratulations! The value of the piece is conservatively $500-$750 since the piece would be rated NRA Good to Fair. Factors that put the piece in this category are a lack of ramrod, sling swivels; the conversion to percussion is very detrimental to the value. The same piece in original flintlock would be double the value.
 
It looks like a southern conversion the hammer is not Springfield, and the drum bolster are typical of southern conversions very nice musket.
 
Most Federals didn't use that style of hammer though. That is the country style or southern style hammer found on a lot of southern conversions. Most Federals used the conversion where the old breech end of the flintlock barrel was cut off. and the new breech with the bolster with the nipple attached was screwed on to the barrel.
 
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Got to agree with Jobe on this one..... Leave it alone... The dings, paint, wear, etc. makeup "the story" of this musket. Cleaning any of this away, in most cases, usually ends up in over-cleaning and destroys value rather than adding to it.
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