Enfield Ramrod makers

[Shootist]

Is there a known list of ramrod makers for the enfield type rifle P53-61?

I'm trying to id the maker of a ramrod that i've come into, which belongs to a private made P60 (I'm guessing p60) that I've just purchased. Will probably need help with the barrel maker also.
I couldn't resist acquiring it after my last attempted purchase went sideways.
Besides normal London proofs it's almost ghost town underneath the barrel.
Lock and bayonet lug have same number.
It was an absolute bear getting barrel free of the stock.

Ramrod has a name or partial name and a tiny proof (i'm guessing)

I've gone through Baileys book and also both of Barry & Burt's books. Perhaps I missed it on the ramrod makers.
Hoping someone may have a source.
Ramrod:

Barrel:

 

[Jeff in Ohio]

If the ramrod is original to your Enfield, some photos of the entire piece and the parts thereof might offer some clues.

 

[Shootist]

So Here are some of the rifle and ramrod.
Let me know if you need others.
Other than bore size, london proofs, E proof and the number 1 that's it for barrel.
Lock is also marked 1.
Ramrod has markings mentioned in first post.

 

[Old Soldier]

It looks like a P1956 two-band rifle (33" barrel 3-groove) or P1860 (33" barrel 5-groove) and is private purchase ie for the civilian market. London made and proofed for a 24-bore (.58 Cal) so quite possibly going to America or where the .58 was a common bore for military arms. The parts are probably all London-made, but it bears no examiners stamps or assembler's marks so was probably made and assembled in-house hence the lack of markings. It is no 'production line' rifle.

This Robert Adams was the designer of the Adams DA revolver and one of the founders of the London Armoury Company in 1856, but left in 1859 after disagreements to found his own company at the address on the lockplate where he concentrated on sporting arms while still producing the revolvers. The shop certainly produced P60s as other examples have surfaced.

Left - London proof 25-bore.......................................Right - London proof 24-bore

BLOCK RIFLE, Enfield P.60 Robert Adams, London, 19th century.

Percussion rifle manufactured by Robert Adams. Adams was active at 76 King William Street in London. Walnut flask with mesh cut. Browned barrel and blued steel fittings. Flame-cured locking plate. Adjustable sight blade. London rehearsal hall stamps. Grooved barrel with clear grooves. Well-functi…

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Bear in mind that all of these rifles for the civilian market would have varied in decoration, depending on the customers needs, wants and ... money available. This MAY have been ordered for an officer as it would have been better made and cost far more than the issue weapons from other suppliers.

The ramrod bears the name 'Francis'. There was no 'Francis' gunmaking in London at that time, the nearest being Charles Francis of Peterborough some 75 miles to the North of London. Charles Francis established his gunmaking business in Peterborough in the early 1800s, a retailer of guns, fishing tackle, and sporting goods. Why use someone so far away? Most of the London gunmakers were already heavily involved in supplying the London gunmakers for American contracts so he may well have looked to his existing contacts outside London.

 

[Jeff in Ohio]

I have one of these, except the stock does not have any checkering, as is seen on yours.
Mine is stored away, but I'll report when I uncover it

 

[Shootist]

It looks like a P1956 two-band rifle (33" barrel 3-groove) or P1860 (33" barrel 5-groove) and is private purchase ie for the civilian market. London made and proofed for a 24-bore (.58 Cal) so quite possibly going to America or where the .58 was a common bore for military arms. The parts are probably all London-made, but it bears no examiners stamps or assembler's marks so was probably made and assembled in-house hence the lack of markings. It is no 'production line' rifle.

This Robert Adams was the designer of the Adams DA revolver and one of the founders of the London Armoury Company in 1856, but left in 1859 after disagreements to found his own company at the address on the lockplate where he concentrated on sporting arms while still producing the revolvers. The shop certainly produced P60s as other examples have surfaced.

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Left - London proof 25-bore.......................................Right - London proof 24-bore

BLOCK RIFLE, Enfield P.60 Robert Adams, London, 19th century.

Percussion rifle manufactured by Robert Adams. Adams was active at 76 King William Street in London. Walnut flask with mesh cut. Browned barrel and blued steel fittings. Flame-cured locking plate. Adjustable sight blade. London rehearsal hall stamps. Grooved barrel with clear grooves. Well-functi…

auctionet.com

Bear in mind that all of these rifles for the civilian market would have varied in decoration, depending on the customers needs, wants and ... money available. This MAY have been ordered for an officer as it would have been better made and cost far more than the issue weapons from other suppliers.

The ramrod bears the name 'Francis'. There was no 'Francis' gunmaking in London at that time, the nearest being Charles Francis of Peterborough some 75 miles to the North of London. Charles Francis established his gunmaking business in Peterborough in the early 1800s, a retailer of guns, fishing tackle, and sporting goods. Why use someone so far away? Most of the London gunmakers were already heavily involved in supplying the London gunmakers for American contracts so he may well have looked to his existing contacts outside London.

Soldier once again, the wealth of information is invaluable. Jeff I look forward to your photo.
I had thought the ramrod may have been contracted out, thanks for the name.
The E on the barrel closest I assumed may have been a purchase from Enfield?
It has a 5 groove heavy barrel.

Came out of a Maryland collection about 35 years ago according to seller, from someone named Jim Wynn* Winn* not sure of spelling. I purchased because I have sought out an Adam's revolver for some time but never managed to located one affordable enough and then this rifle popped up. The fit of the components is exceptional. As I said previously, it was difficult to remove the barrel from the stock. I don't think it had ever been removed or perhaps very very long ago.
The inletting for the lock in the stock is absolutely impeccable. I'll attach a photo.
I'm familiar with Adam's working relationship with the Dean Brothers and his founding of LAco. That's what got my interest and it is quite an appealing looking rifle.
With no date anywhere I'm guessing it was made probably 1860/61 based on the way it is set up?

 

[Old Soldier]

It is a private purchase P1860 with .58 caliber. The inside of the lock void shows the quality of work done! As I said before this is NOT a production line piece. Enfield did not supply barrels for anyone. In any case it would be covered with inspection marks. Look at the quality of the covered surface - far better than Enfield. It was likely produced on-site. The ramrod may well be the only steel part out-sourced (the dry fire pad and sling probably was too) or even replaced at some time. The bayonet for the bayonet lug would be the P1856 yataghan (saber) bayonet, although later bayonets would fit too. (looks great, but be a handful for close quarter combat!)

 

[Shootist]

Yes, the bayonet, another increasingly difficult item to find for a reasonable price!
Would the bayonet be made in England?
Or would it have been outsourced to Germany or elsewhere?

 

[Old Soldier]

Yes, the bayonet, another increasingly difficult item to find for a reasonable price!
Would the bayonet be made in England?
Or would it have been outsourced to Germany or elsewhere?

Most were made in Germany, but there are some British ones.