Enfield bayonet

[2ndDEboy]

Any British guys? Whet do you think of markings

 

[ConfederateCanuck]

Definitely British. Can't help you beyond that.

 

[Old Soldier]

No makers stamp and the Enfield inspecors stamp looks wrong. It is certainly not confederate issue as their issue numbers were engraved, not stamped. It has no locking ring.

 

[2ndDEboy]

No makers stamp and the Enfield inspecors stamp looks wrong. It is certainly not confederate issue as their issue numbers were engraved, not stamped. It has no locking ring.

Hi there update to post. It's originally made by enfield the stamps are correct I had this verified by Adrian Roads world renowned expert it all and everything enfield this is a civil war era British bayonet that some beat the end to make fit tighter on a smaller bore diameter gun

 

[Old Soldier]

Hi there update to post. It's originally made by enfield the stamps are correct I had this verified by Adrian Roads world renowned expert it all and everything enfield this is a civil war era British bayonet that some beat the end to make fit tighter on a smaller bore diameter gun

It may well be British and have an Enfield stamp, but is was not an issue bayonet as it has no WD & arrow stamp - the acceptance mark. The viewers mark was NOT an acceptance mark. The Enfield viewers mark was mainly applied to London-made arms and was basically to tell the buyer it was 'to Pattern'.

The Volunteer movement had to buy their own weapons initially and bayonets were made to go with their rifles. Given the hand-made quality of these weapons they were not often 'to pattern' ie not interchangeable. RSAF Enfield made no weapons for either side. These are generally the ones found in the USA. Many of the 'Tower' consortiums made them too, usually with the makers name on the ricasso as well. Rifles supplied to the confederacy have a serial on both rifle and bayonet and was added while still in Britain.

 

[2ndDEboy]

Thanks for the info!!!

 

[2ndDEboy]

It may well be British and have an Enfield stamp, but is was not an issue bayonet as it has no WD & arrow stamp - the acceptance mark. The viewers mark was NOT an acceptance mark. The Enfield viewers mark was mainly applied to London-made arms and was basically to tell the buyer it was 'to Pattern'.

The Volunteer movement had to buy their own weapons initially and bayonets were made to go with their rifles. Given the hand-made quality of these weapons they were not often 'to pattern' ie not interchangeable. RSAF Enfield made no weapons for either side. These are generally the ones found in the USA. Many of the 'Tower' consortiums made them too, usually with the makers name on the ricasso as well. Rifles supplied to the confederacy have a serial on both rifle and bayonet and was added while still in Britain.

What do you think of this bayonet? It has numbers 516 on it too

 

[Old Soldier]

What do you think of this bayonet? It has numbers 516 on it too

Something is not right. The viewers mark is stamped OK but the other numbers are not. it is missing the locking ring too. There are none of the other marks of an Enfield bayonet either. Is the blade straight or curved away from the socket towards the point?

 

[2ndDEboy]

Something is not right. The viewers mark is stamped OK but the other numbers are not. it is missing the locking ring too. There are none of the other marks of an Enfield bayonet either. Is the blade straight or curved away from the socket towards the point?

It has the lock ring and and the blade is bowed inward to the socket

 

[2ndDEboy]

It has the lock ring and and the blade is bowed inward to the socket

It has the lock ring and and the blade is bowed inward to the socket

Blade is 17.5" long

 

[2ndDEboy]

It may well be British and have an Enfield stamp, but is was not an issue bayonet as it has no WD & arrow stamp - the acceptance mark. The viewers mark was NOT an acceptance mark. The Enfield viewers mark was mainly applied to London-made arms and was basically to tell the buyer it was 'to Pattern'.

The Volunteer movement had to buy their own weapons initially and bayonets were made to go with their rifles. Given the hand-made quality of these weapons they were not often 'to pattern' ie not interchangeable. RSAF Enfield made no weapons for either side. These are generally the ones found in the USA. Many of the 'Tower' consortiums made them too, usually with the makers name on the ricasso as well. Rifles supplied to the confederacy have a serial on both rifle and bayonet and was added while still in Britain.

What do you think about this other bayonet I have it's an enfield 17" blade

 

[Old Soldier]

Blade is 17.5" long

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That's OK. Many repro/indian repro blades are straight. The originals were always bowed out of the line of the barrel to aid ramming. The first British socket bayonet with a straight blade was the long pattern 1876 for the Martini.

 

[Old Soldier]

What do you think about this other bayonet I have it's an enfield 17" blade

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It looks OK BUT - no markings bar the arrow on the fuller and a very worn look. That 'L' LOOKS like the acceptance mark, but there are no other markings on the ricasso - either non existant or removed during 'renovation'. Having said that, some acceptance marks were put on the other sides of the bayonet, not the ricasso.

This is what you should be looking for:

Civilian bayonets - made for the volunteers movement.

Any with the arrow and WD are NOT Civil War items. Many will have Hindi or Arabic numbers on them as they are Indian Army issue:

Arabic

Most British unit markings will be on the socket. Just numbers in various locations will be for the rifle they fitted. Remember that these were exported and used by many other armies woridwide. The Enfield P1853 has been described as the 19th Century AK!

Loads of extra examples and pictures on:

Enfield Bayonet | Edged Weapons

I recently bought an 1866 trapdoor and it came with an enfield bayonet and scabbard. I'm not very knowledgeable about these things so I posted in a Facebook group and got an answer that it's an enfield, some said possibly confederate thru blockade but finally someone said it's probably Canadian...

civilwartalk.com

 

[2ndDEboy]

It looks OK BUT - no markings bar the arrow on the fuller and a very worn look. That 'L' LOOKS like the acceptance mark, but there are no other markings on the ricasso - either non existant or removed during 'renovation'. Having said that, some acceptance marks were put on the other sides of the bayonet, not the ricasso.

This is what you should be looking for:
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Civilian bayonets - made for the volunteers movement.

Any with the arrow and WD are NOT Civil War items. Many will have Hindi or Arabic numbers on them as they are Indian Army issue:
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View attachment 547968 Arabic

Most British unit markings will be on the socket. Just numbers in various locations will be for the rifle they fitted. Remember that these were exported and used by many other armies woridwide. The Enfield P1853 has been described as the 19th Century AK!

Loads of extra examples and pictures on:

Enfield Bayonet | Edged Weapons

I recently bought an 1866 trapdoor and it came with an enfield bayonet and scabbard. I'm not very knowledgeable about these things so I posted in a Facebook group and got an answer that it's an enfield, some said possibly confederate thru blockade but finally someone said it's probably Canadian...

civilwartalk.com

Thanks!!!