Doubleday & Newton

Andy Cardinal

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I'm curious as to anyone's thoughts as to why Meade chose to relieve Doubleday from command of the First Corps and replace him with Newton.

Doubleday seems to have performed fairly well after Reynolds was killed on July 1. The two reasons typically given for Doubleday's removal were 1) he was an ardent abolitionist in an army officer corps that leaned in the conservative direction. Doubleday himself seemed to believe himself that this was the motivation for his removal. 2) Howard's false report that the 1st Corps gave way, relayed through Hancock's message to Meade that evening. Based on some of his later comments, Doubleday seems to have accepted this reasoning, which may explain his evident dislike of Howard.

However, it is also clear that Meade had a long-standing dislike of Doubleday. They had served together in the 1st Corps during the Maryland Campaign and at Fredricksburg, so it would seem that the two men had the opportunity to know each other fairly well. After Meade took command of the 5th Corps, he wrote home (January 23, 1863) that "Doubleday has been assigned to the [Pennsylvania] Reserves, which is a good thing for me, for now they will think a great deal more of me than before."

Meade had decided to replace Doubleday with Newton before leaving Taneytown on the night of July 1 and had sent orders to Newton to that effect. At the time, the 4 ranking major generals in the army who did not already hold corps command (Sykes having just been promoted to replace Meade at the head of the 5th Corps) were Doubleday, Schurz, Newton, & Birney. Meade's dislike of Birney was also evident after Fredricksburg, and on top of that Birney was also an abolitionist & part of the 3rf Corps clique. Schurz was not a West Pointer.

I assume Meade turned to Newton because he was (in his mind anyway) the least bad choice. Newton was a Virginian who had remained loyal and part of the conservative officer corps. What would have recommended him to Meade was his background as an engineer. He was noted for his ability to read the topography. But Newton had a checkered past in the war -- not many battlefield triumphs to recommend him and he had been a conspicuous part of the plot to get rid of Burnside. He had traveled to Washington and met with Lincoln to urge that Burnside's planned offensive at the end of December be stopped and he advocated a return to the Peninsula.

With that kind of baggage, I would think a new army commander still getting his feet under him would be wary of promoting Newton to a corps command.
 
I'm curious as to anyone's thoughts as to why Meade chose to relieve Doubleday from command of the First Corps and replace him with Newton.

Doubleday seems to have performed fairly well after Reynolds was killed on July 1. The two reasons typically given for Doubleday's removal were 1) he was an ardent abolitionist in an army officer corps that leaned in the conservative direction. Doubleday himself seemed to believe himself that this was the motivation for his removal. 2) Howard's false report that the 1st Corps gave way, relayed through Hancock's message to Meade that evening. Based on some of his later comments, Doubleday seems to have accepted this reasoning, which may explain his evident dislike of Howard.

However, it is also clear that Meade had a long-standing dislike of Doubleday. They had served together in the 1st Corps during the Maryland Campaign and at Fredricksburg, so it would seem that the two men had the opportunity to know each other fairly well. After Meade took command of the 5th Corps, he wrote home (January 23, 1863) that "Doubleday has been assigned to the [Pennsylvania] Reserves, which is a good thing for me, for now they will think a great deal more of me than before."

Meade had decided to replace Doubleday with Newton before leaving Taneytown on the night of July 1 and had sent orders to Newton to that effect. At the time, the 4 ranking major generals in the army who did not already hold corps command (Sykes having just been promoted to replace Meade at the head of the 5th Corps) were Doubleday, Schurz, Newton, & Birney. Meade's dislike of Birney was also evident after Fredricksburg, and on top of that Birney was also an abolitionist & part of the 3rf Corps clique. Schurz was not a West Pointer.

I assume Meade turned to Newton because he was (in his mind anyway) the least bad choice. Newton was a Virginian who had remained loyal and part of the conservative officer corps. What would have recommended him to Meade was his background as an engineer. He was noted for his ability to read the topography. But Newton had a checkered past in the war -- not many battlefield triumphs to recommend him and he had been a conspicuous part of the plot to get rid of Burnside. He had traveled to Washington and met with Lincoln to urge that Burnside's planned offensive at the end of December be stopped and he advocated a return to the Peninsula.

With that kind of baggage, I would think a new army commander still getting his feet under him would be wary of promoting Newton to a corps command.

I personally believe that it was personal animosity combined with opportunity that spelled the end for Doubleday. He and Meade didn't get along, Meade didn't trust him, and Howard's report that the First Corps broke gave Meade the chance to keep Doubleday out of corps command. I don't think that Meade liked Newton much better but he was pretty much the only choice. Neither Birney not Schurz were West Pointers and Newton was the only other major general available. To quote Homer Simpson, "Default! My two favorite words in the English language!"

Ryan
 
While personally don't like Doubleday, he had done a very good job on July 1st. Newton was out of left field literally. Meade just did not like Doubleday. I am surprised he believed anything written by Howard, who gave his usual bad job. His men broke and ran. The 1st Corps soldiers were better than that, The iron Brigade run, I don't think so. They were fighters. Still it was Meade's decision to make. He thought it was the best thing to do, but as the 1st did not play a huge part in the rest of the battle. I assume it was a safe move.
 
I'm curious as to anyone's thoughts as to why Meade chose to relieve Doubleday from command of the First Corps and replace him with Newton.

Doubleday seems to have performed fairly well after Reynolds was killed on July 1. The two reasons typically given for Doubleday's removal were 1) he was an ardent abolitionist in an army officer corps that leaned in the conservative direction. Doubleday himself seemed to believe himself that this was the motivation for his removal. 2) Howard's false report that the 1st Corps gave way, relayed through Hancock's message to Meade that evening. Based on some of his later comments, Doubleday seems to have accepted this reasoning, which may explain his evident dislike of Howard.

However, it is also clear that Meade had a long-standing dislike of Doubleday. They had served together in the 1st Corps during the Maryland Campaign and at Fredricksburg, so it would seem that the two men had the opportunity to know each other fairly well. After Meade took command of the 5th Corps, he wrote home (January 23, 1863) that "Doubleday has been assigned to the [Pennsylvania] Reserves, which is a good thing for me, for now they will think a great deal more of me than before."

Meade had decided to replace Doubleday with Newton before leaving Taneytown on the night of July 1 and had sent orders to Newton to that effect. At the time, the 4 ranking major generals in the army who did not already hold corps command (Sykes having just been promoted to replace Meade at the head of the 5th Corps) were Doubleday, Schurz, Newton, & Birney. Meade's dislike of Birney was also evident after Fredricksburg, and on top of that Birney was also an abolitionist & part of the 3rf Corps clique. Schurz was not a West Pointer.

I assume Meade turned to Newton because he was (in his mind anyway) the least bad choice. Newton was a Virginian who had remained loyal and part of the conservative officer corps. What would have recommended him to Meade was his background as an engineer. He was noted for his ability to read the topography. But Newton had a checkered past in the war -- not many battlefield triumphs to recommend him and he had been a conspicuous part of the plot to get rid of Burnside. He had traveled to Washington and met with Lincoln to urge that Burnside's planned offensive at the end of December be stopped and he advocated a return to the Peninsula.

With that kind of baggage, I would think a new army commander still getting his feet under him would be wary of promoting Newton to a corps command.
Uh-Oh Howard had alot to do with it....he lied and told Meade that the 1st Corps was badly mismanaged on July 1st to cover his own donkey for his ineptitude in leadership. July 1st was quite possibly Doubleday's best day of the war.
 
I wasn't counting Hooker because it seems like he said what he needed to say to who needed to hear it to have political support but I did not think it was a genuine belief. Burnside I did not realize.

Burnside was arresting Democrat congressmen and closing Democrat newspapers...
 
I'm curious as to anyone's thoughts as to why Meade chose to relieve Doubleday from command of the First Corps and replace him with Newton.

Doubleday seems to have performed fairly well after Reynolds was killed on July 1. The two reasons typically given for Doubleday's removal were 1) he was an ardent abolitionist in an army officer corps that leaned in the conservative direction. Doubleday himself seemed to believe himself that this was the motivation for his removal. 2) Howard's false report that the 1st Corps gave way, relayed through Hancock's message to Meade that evening. Based on some of his later comments, Doubleday seems to have accepted this reasoning, which may explain his evident dislike of Howard.

However, it is also clear that Meade had a long-standing dislike of Doubleday. They had served together in the 1st Corps during the Maryland Campaign and at Fredricksburg, so it would seem that the two men had the opportunity to know each other fairly well. After Meade took command of the 5th Corps, he wrote home (January 23, 1863) that "Doubleday has been assigned to the [Pennsylvania] Reserves, which is a good thing for me, for now they will think a great deal more of me than before."

Meade had decided to replace Doubleday with Newton before leaving Taneytown on the night of July 1 and had sent orders to Newton to that effect. At the time, the 4 ranking major generals in the army who did not already hold corps command (Sykes having just been promoted to replace Meade at the head of the 5th Corps) were Doubleday, Schurz, Newton, & Birney. Meade's dislike of Birney was also evident after Fredricksburg, and on top of that Birney was also an abolitionist & part of the 3rf Corps clique. Schurz was not a West Pointer.

I assume Meade turned to Newton because he was (in his mind anyway) the least bad choice. Newton was a Virginian who had remained loyal and part of the conservative officer corps. What would have recommended him to Meade was his background as an engineer. He was noted for his ability to read the topography. But Newton had a checkered past in the war -- not many battlefield triumphs to recommend him and he had been a conspicuous part of the plot to get rid of Burnside. He had traveled to Washington and met with Lincoln to urge that Burnside's planned offensive at the end of December be stopped and he advocated a return to the Peninsula.

With that kind of baggage, I would think a new army commander still getting his feet under him would be wary of promoting Newton to a corps command.
Very well researched. You mention Fredricksburg twice in your post. Meade saw first hand who was worthwhile and also witnessed the political trouble rousers. Doubleday may have gotten a bum deal. The fact of the matter is this. Meade was well aware of the politics that existed in the AOP and took measures to avoid the enevitable obsticals in his front. Very wise for a newly appointed commander and very understandable considering his observations from past experience.
 
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Uh-Oh Howard had alot to do with it....he lied and told Meade that the 1st Corps was badly mismanaged on July 1st to cover his own donkey for his ineptitude in leadership. July 1st was quite possibly Doubleday's best day of the war.
Agreed and understandable why Doubleday had every reason to be disgruntaled.
 
Uh-Oh Howard had alot to do with it....he lied and told Meade that the 1st Corps was badly mismanaged on July 1st to cover his own donkey for his ineptitude in leadership. July 1st was quite possibly Doubleday's best day of the war.
I agree that it was probably his best day, but was it really that good? I'm curious what everybody thinks about that. He did very well I think in driving back the initial assault of Heth's division in the morning, and showed some foresight in establishing a reserve position at the Seminary & sending troops to Oak Ridge. But I wonder if he was right to keep the Iron Brigade in position in the woods when it was obvious to all that the position couldn't be held. The 1st Corps lines had so many angles & gaps that it wasn't really a strong defensive position. I wonder if he night have been better off, and still saved Cemetery Hill, by falling back earlier & forming a solid, compact line with plenty of supporting artillery on Seminary Ridge?

I'm not sure I have a good answer to this in my own head, but thought the question worth asking.
 
This is an interesting topic and one, I hope takes root. The AOP was a complete and total mess prior to Meade, during Meade and after Grant took command. Factors outside of the Confederacy, hampered their every move. Including the administration.
Yes I think this in an important point, which involves the Doubleday-Newton situation and also extends beyond it. That was why both Burnside & Hooker had to go. It was better I think under Meade because he had the support of the generals, but the problem never really went away.
 

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