Civil war flag

[Randy1944]

I am trying to research this flag. It is approx. 2' by 3' and is hand made with straight stitches. It is a N. C. 2nd. Infantry flag. The star in the red part has a 2 in it and the N is on the left of the star and the C is on the right side of the star. The white and blue parts have names of battles on them. Some of the battle names can be read and some cannot. I bgt. this flag out of a family collection. The man had bgt. it in the mid 1970's and it passed to his grandson at his death. The grandson had it mounted and framed in conservation style with acid free mounting and UV glass. Flag does not illuminate under black light. Thanks for any and all help. Randy

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

View attachment 205890 View attachment 205891 View attachment 205892 View attachment 205893 I am trying to research this flag. It is approx. 2' by 3' and is hand made with straight stitches. It is a N. C. 2nd. Infantry flag. The star in the red part has a 2 in it and the N is on the left of the star and the C is on the right side of the star. The white and blue parts have names of battles on them. Some of the battle names can be read and some cannot. I bgt. this flag out of a family collection. The man had bgt. it in the mid 1970's and it passed to his grandson at his death. The grandson had it mounted and framed in conservation style with acid free mounting and UV glass. Flag does not illuminate under black light. Thanks for any and all help. Randy

http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924092908536#page/n191/mode/2up

 

[Randy1944]

East Tn. Roots, Thank you for the archive book. I scanned it some and will devote more time to it tomorrow. Interesting enough, I bgt. The flag from your area. Gray! I live in Maryville. Thanks again. Randy

 

[7th Mississippi Infantry]

Hello Randy.

Welcome aboard !

You have a great artifact.
I'm looking forward to the replies to your question.

 

[JOHN42768]

Welcome, enjoy

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

East Tn. Roots, Thank you for the archive book. I scanned it some and will devote more time to it tomorrow. Interesting enough, I bgt. The flag from your area. Gray! I live in Maryville. Thanks again. Randy

Welcome to the Forums !!!

Gettysburg after battle report:
Report of Capt. Orren Williams, Second North Carolina Infantry.

--, [1863.]

Sir: The Second Regt. North Carolina troops, Maj. D. W. Hurtt
commanding, went into action July 1, 1863, near the town of Gettysburg,
Pa., about 1 p. m. After maneuvering on the field about half
an hour, its commander (Maj. Hurtt) was wounded, and he delivered
the command of the regiment to Capt. [James T.] Scales,
the senior captain present.

While advancing through the field fronting the railroad, the regiment
received a flank fire from the enemy, posted behind a stone fence
on our right, but he was soon driven from his position by the Thirtieth
and Fourteenth Regt.'s. The regiment continued to advance,
and the enemy retreated into the town. Our sharpshooters
being in front of the regiment, prevented our firing upon the enemy
in his retreat.

The officers and men, as usual, acted well.

We lost no colors and captured none; but we captured a goodly
number of prisoners.

Respectfully submitted.

ORREN WILLIAMS,
Capt., Comdg. Second Regt. North Carolina Troops.

Source: Official Records: Series I. Vol. 27. Part II. Reports. Serial No. 44

 

[nc native]

Hello from Wake County North Carolina and welcome to the forum from a direct descendant
of one of the men who served under the flag you now have in your possession. The Second NC
Infantry was a valiant regiment that served with distinction in many of the major battles in the
Eastern theater of the Civil War. My ancestor didn't survive the war, dying in October 1862,
leaving behind several orphaned children. (his two wives had both died before the Civil War
in childbirth)

 

[AUG]

Thanks for sharing! I think it could've belonged to a individual within the regiment as a personal keepsake, sewn by them or their family.

Or could be a postwar commemorative flag, similar to this one here: https://civilwartalk.com/threads/the-battle-flag-of-the-4th-texas-infantry.148770/#post-1871433

Both were common.

Maybe a flank marker, but I think it's too small and crudely sewn together to be a regimental battle flag.

Here are a couple battle flags that were used by the 2nd North Carolina:

 

[tbuckley]

Welcome from eastern Ohio. Thanks for posting the pictures of the flag.

 

[Stone in the wall]

Welcome and thanks for posting the pictures of your flag

 

[Randy1944]

My Thanks go out to all responders. I read and re-read all posts with great interest. I have concluded that my flag is a post war reunion flag. I am having problems reading the names of the battles. Here are the ones I can read: In the blue part: ?...L?... ?...IG?.. BRANDY STATION UPPERVILLE A?......
Now the White portion: GETTYSBURG HAW TAVERN STAUNTON RIVER WILSON FARM
I can't find battles listed on line that fit all of the ones listed on the flag.
Once again, all of your help is greatly appreciated.
My Great Great Grandfather was a blacksmith in the Civil War. He was John McCeldry, 2nd. Reg. Tennessee Cavalry, Company B.

 

[UCVRelics]

Welcome From THE Heart Of Dixie. It is a post war flag way post war. This is one of the ones we named the Bristol flags after the 2 guys from Bristol Tennessee who made a ton of these fake flags. They all have the same features, the rough hand sewn stars, the battle listings etc. If you look at the font they are not period to the CW. They originally started out make "CW period" flags and then had to change to the reunion flags as they got caught. They made these out of old Mexican sail cloth.

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/civil-war-flag-up-for-sale.112454/

http://www.history-sites.com/cgi-bin/bbs62x/cwflags/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11170

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

My Great Great Grandfather was a blacksmith in the Civil War. He was John McCeldry, 2nd. Reg. Tennessee Cavalry, Company B.

His Pension Index Card :

Didn't know if you'd seen this :

Union soldiers of Co. D of the 2nd Tennessee Volunteer Cavalry pose with their muskets, carbines, and Colt revolving rifles, c. 1862, (supposedly near Cade's Cove)

 

[Package4]

Welcome From THE Heart Of Dixie. It is a post war flag way post war. This is one of the ones we named the Bristol flags after the 2 guys from Bristol Tennessee who made a ton of these fake flags. They all have the same features, the rough hand sewn stars, the battle listings etc. If you look at the font they are not period to the CW. They originally started out make "CW period" flags and then had to change to the reunion flags as they got caught. They made these out of old Mexican sail cloth.

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/civil-war-flag-up-for-sale.112454/

http://www.history-sites.com/cgi-bin/bbs62x/cwflags/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11170

As I recall, after they were caught, there was one individual who had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on these fakes and there was a near death experience for one of the fakers...…..

I believe Lanyard Puller may be able to expound on the story...….or maybe not...

 

[Randy1944]

Welcome From THE Heart Of Dixie. It is a post war flag way post war. This is one of the ones we named the Bristol flags after the 2 guys from Bristol Tennessee who made a ton of these fake flags. They all have the same features, the rough hand sewn stars, the battle listings etc. If you look at the font they are not period to the CW. They originally started out make "CW period" flags and then had to change to the reunion flags as they got caught. They made these out of old Mexican sail cloth.

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/civil-war-flag-up-for-sale.112454/

http://www.history-sites.com/cgi-bin/bbs62x/cwflags/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11170

Thank you for all of the information. It is really eye opening. I did indeed buy the flag out of the northern East Tennessee area. I asked for information and I feel that you have given me correct and accurate info. I will now mark my flag as a reproduction and hang it on a wall. Thanks, Randy

 

[Randy1944]

I have a copy of the pension card but not the picture. It is very interesting. If you don't mind, I will try to get it enlarged . Thanks, Randy

 

[Seduzal]

Welcome to CWT from the Smoky Mountain side of North Carolina.

 

[Patrick H]

Hi and welcome, Randy. I can't tell you anything about your flag, except I think it's a real find! I've got a hunch that the previous opinion of it being a personal keepsake is probably accurate.

 

[James N.]

Welcome to the forums from the host of the Stonewall Jackson Forum!

 

[zburkett]

The ladies of the mid 1800s took great pride in their sewing. Only the best would have presented battle flags to their home town heroes. Crude stitching is a dead give away. Repairs may be crude field stitching. The original construction will be some of the finest sewing possible.