Bayonet ID?

[bayonet]

Any Bayonet experts out there. Trying to pinpoint this socket bayonet as to what it is. The Rear Reinforcing Collar is nothing I've seen before, maybe altered by a Blacksmith? Blade is about 17 inches, socket 2 3/4 inches, socket diameter 7/8. Claims British 18th Century? I think much later. Thanks

 

[Grayrock Volunteer]

It appears to be a British P1842 socket bayonet.

 

[OldSarge79]

It is indeed British in origin.
Grayrock Volunteer may very well be correct as to the exact model, but it is made for the Lovell catch, which the British used for all their models of long arms from about 1840 to 1853. The East India Company versions would look very similar. I will be able to give a more definitive answer tomorrow morning, when I can access my collection.

Are there markings visible on the blade?
Can you provide the length of the socket, the interior diameter and the distance from the slot to the front of the socket?

 

[bayonet]

Thanks, your right. The socket is 2 3/4 inches in length. I had it confirmed also on www.swordforum. The seller only showed 2 pics covering up the socket end that was protruding. Claiming it was a Brown Bess Bayonet leading one to believe it to be Rev War period. I asked for more pics and thats when I saw the difference.

 

[OldSarge79]

Sorry, I missed the measurements in your original post.

There are three primary possibilities, Pattern 1842, Pattern 1839/1845 Extra Service, and Pattern 1851. All are very close to 7/8 diameter on the socket, with 1851 being the smallest slightly.


The Pattern 1842 socket diameter and blade length are approximately correct, but the socket length is a full 3" or perhaps slightly longer.
The Pattern 1839/1845 Extra Service has a 17" blade, slightly more than 7/8 diameter and exactly 3" socket length. It is about 1/16 shorter than the other two.
The Pattern 1851 can probably be eliminated as the diameter is slightly less than 7/8. The blade is 16 7/8.

So, nothing here fits exactly with your measurements. Attaching photos of the three types, in the above order.

The markings would probably help considerably. Needless to say, it is NOT 18th Century.

 

[bayonet]

Thanks, dodged a bullet and saved my money. Only wish the Auction House showed better pics.