Anyone Know Rank or Branch

[JeffHendricks]

Got this one in over the weekend. Anyone tell rank or branch of military?

 

[Nathan Stuart]

Judging by a vague sighting of the pattern in the circlet on the epaulette and the single breasted coat worn, I'm guessing he's a full dress 'Lt.Col.' or 'Col.', possibly of artillery. (Im no expert on this, though).

 

[Frederick14Va]

Rank: The single breasted frock coat was typically for a company grade officer; Lieut's & Captains. Double breasted thereafter. He is wearing full dress epaulettes. The diameter of the fringe is also a rank indicator as they got larger/thicker as the rank progressed upward. These appear to be the skinny thin fringe that would typically be found on a Lieutenants Epaulette.

Branch: The subject is holding an 1850 model foot officers sword, which is a clue but not really confirmation of anything specific. His trouser seam has a lighter colored hue welt. Infantry officers would have a light blue welt on the trousers which this resembles.

Based on features present, I would care to guess the subject in question is most likely an Infantry Lieutenant. However considering the subjects suspected age, could also be someone aligned with the Quartermaster and others services similar.

 

[bobinwmass]

Given the placement of the scabbard rings, that is a metal scabbard, so the sword would likely be a Model 1850 Staff and Field Officer sword, regulation for the rank of Major and above. But it is also true that some Model 1850 Foot Officer swords came with metal scabbards for lower ranking officers who were mounted for whatever reason. This guy isn't wearing any boots typical of someone on horseback. And then again, if he is a state volunteer, anything goes for officer swords. I have seen many Staff and Field Officer swords identified or presented to lowly lieutenants in state volunteer regiments.

 

[JeffHendricks]

Rank: The single breasted frock coat was typically for a company grade officer; Lieut's & Captains. Double breasted thereafter. He is wearing full dress epaulettes. The diameter of the fringe is also a rank indicator as they got larger/thicker as the rank progressed upward. These appear to be the skinny thin fringe that would typically be found on a Lieutenants Epaulette.

Branch: The subject is holding an 1850 model foot officers sword, which is a clue but not really confirmation of anything specific. His trouser seam has a lighter colored hue welt. Infantry officers would have a light blue welt on the trousers which this resembles.

Based on features present, I would care to guess the subject in question is most likely an Infantry Lieutenant. However considering the subjects suspected age, could also be someone aligned with the Quartermaster and others services similar.

Thanks, I appreciate the info. The CDV is from an album of Munroe, Smith, Hoffman and Richardson, mainly in Boston and Philadelphia. Right next to him is a CDV of him in Philadelphia from the 1870's out of uniform. From the over 1,000 albums I have worked and researched, it seems funny, that in the albums with a great deal identified, the civil war soldier is always left unidentified. I guess maybe because they knew who he was.

 

[JeffHendricks]

Given the placement of the scabbard rings, that is a metal scabbard, so the sword would likely be a Model 1850 Staff and Field Officer sword, regulation for the rank of Major and above. But it is also true that some Model 1850 Foot Officer swords came with metal scabbards for lower ranking officers who were mounted for whatever reason. This guy isn't wearing any boots typical of someone on horseback. And then again, if he is a state volunteer, anything goes for officer swords. I have seen many Staff and Field Officer swords identified or presented to lowly lieutenants in state volunteer regiments.

Thanks for the info. I probably won't be able to identify him with only being a Lt. But a nice picture none the less.

 

[Nathan Stuart]

Based on features present, I would care to guess the subject in question is most likely an Infantry Lieutenant. However considering the subjects suspected age, could also be someone aligned with the Quartermaster and others services similar.

Agree - after viewing his obvious seniority (in years), thought that made it less likely he was a lower-ranked officer, like a Lt. or Capt., or that he was indeed a line officer.

 

[JeffHendricks]

Well, I will figure the identity out eventually. Also in the album are a lot of Munroe family. Edmund and Sophia Sewell Monroe. Edmund was the son of Col. William Munroe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Munroe_(American_soldier)
In 1818, Edmond and his business partners founded a very successful glass-making company and the Munro's became very wealthy.
Also in the album is William Langdon Libby (The Libby Glass Company)

Now also in the album are these, and I have a feeling they are of notoriety. They are together with same Boston backmark.

This is William Langdon Libby.

Also in the album is Edmund Munroe's daughter Susan Dwight Munroe Smith. As well as the following identified persons.

1. Dr. Milton Powell and wife and children Ella, Minnie and Lulu
2. N.R. Munroe
3. Thomas S. Wood
4. Sophia Sewell Munroe
5. Edmund Munroe
6. Alford Sumner Richardson
7. Henry Munroe Rogers
8. Susan Dwight Munroe Smith
9. Alice Durant Smith
10. Susan E. Smith
11. Beatrice Bennett
12. S. Munroe
13. L. Munroe
14. Ella Louise Powell
15. Stetson
16. William Langdon Libbey – See Below
17. Charles Brooks Richardson
18. Alice Gertrude Hoffman

 

[Story]

Well, I will figure the identity out eventually. Also in the album are a lot of Munroe family. Edmund and Sophia Sewell Monroe. Edmund was the son of Col. William Munroe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Munroe_(American_soldier)
In 1818, Edmond and his business partners founded a very successful glass-making company and the Munro's became very wealthy.
Also in the album is William Langdon Libby (The Libby Glass Company)
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Now also in the album are these, and I have a feeling they are of notoriety. They are together with same Boston backmark.

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This is William Langdon Libby.
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1. Henry Munroe Rogers

Since we're spitballing here, close but no cigar.

Henry Munroe Rogers (1839-1937) was a Boston lawyer, best known as a patron of local theater. Born in Boston, he was one of six children of John Hicks Rogers and Lucy Catherine Smith. He attended Harvard College (A.B. 1862; L.L.B. 1867) and served as a paymaster in the United States Navy during the Civil War.

Collection: Rogers Memorial Collection: Henry Munroe Rogers papers | HOLLIS for

hollisarchives.lib.harvard.edu

 

[JeffHendricks]

Since we're spitballing here, close but no cigar.

Henry Munroe Rogers (1839-1937) was a Boston lawyer, best known as a patron of local theater. Born in Boston, he was one of six children of John Hicks Rogers and Lucy Catherine Smith. He attended Harvard College (A.B. 1862; L.L.B. 1867) and served as a paymaster in the United States Navy during the Civil War.

Collection: Rogers Memorial Collection: Henry Munroe Rogers papers | HOLLIS for

hollisarchives.lib.harvard.edu

You might have something there. This is him below, and there are a number of Smith in the family. Also here is link to the album. I have put it up not thoroughly researched. He could be 42 in this picture which would put him in his 20's during Civil War. https://ancestryphotostore.com/prod...son-rogers-smith-bennett-boston-philadelphia/

 

[JeffHendricks]

Since we're spitballing here, close but no cigar.

Henry Munroe Rogers (1839-1937) was a Boston lawyer, best known as a patron of local theater. Born in Boston, he was one of six children of John Hicks Rogers and Lucy Catherine Smith. He attended Harvard College (A.B. 1862; L.L.B. 1867) and served as a paymaster in the United States Navy during the Civil War.

Collection: Rogers Memorial Collection: Henry Munroe Rogers papers | HOLLIS for

hollisarchives.lib.harvard.edu

Yep, I think that is him!!!

 

[JeffHendricks]

OK, I know I am reaching, but the two sepia photos are from the Munroe album. The one on the bottom is identified as Thomas J. Wood. Any chance??

 

[Bentonville]

Thanks, I appreciate the info. The CDV is from an album of Munroe, Smith, Hoffman and Richardson, mainly in Boston and Philadelphia. Right next to him is a CDV of him in Philadelphia from the 1870's out of uniform. From the over 1,000 albums I have worked and researched, it seems funny, that in the albums with a great deal identified, the civil war soldier is always left unidentified. I guess maybe because they knew who he was.

I have no idea about the uniform but I did look at the.l8cation. Thevstudio.wss close to a very historic site and, gotta love that town, 299 Wahington is still a location (not like Oak St. in NY) there and looks like the original structure too.

I guess I have to do some recon when when mynwifevand I go see her family.

 

[swood]

OK, I know I am reaching, but the two sepia photos are from the Munroe album. The one on the bottom is identified as Thomas J. Wood. Any chance??
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OK, I know I am reaching, but the two sepia photos are from the Munroe album. The one on the bottom is identified as Thomas J. Wood. Any chance??
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General Thomas J. Wood was one of my great grandfathers. The relatively dark on the left from the Library of Congress is a photo of General Wood. It was taken around 1860.

Neither of the other two photos is of my great grandfather.

 

[R. Porter]

What can the belt buckle of the officer in the original post tell us?

Also, just a wild guess, do images 3 and 4 of post number 8 at all resemble Henry Ward Beecher and Harriet Beecher Stowe? I couldn't find an image of Henry Ward Beecher as a smiling old man for comparison (or smiling at any age) and I'm not all that keen on the woman being Harriet Beecher Stowe.