Am I reading this right?

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I am researching the Model 1840 enlisted light artillery saber and want to be sure I'm not misinterpreting some information.

Looking at the tables found in John H. Thillmann's book Civil War Cavalry & Artillery Sabers, it appears to me that there were only 200 enlisted light artillery sabers delivered by Ames in 1860 (see picture of the purchases table below).

Am I safe in assuming that that means only 200 of these sabers would have an 1860 date?

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You are reading it right, but keep in mind that for the US Ord Dept. Not States. They would have the usually US and inspectors marks.
 
You are reading it right, but keep in mind that for the US Ord Dept. Not States. They would have the usually US and inspectors marks.
So true, mine is Connecticut issued and does not have the usual 2 letter digit inspector marks on the handle or blade.
 
Without seeing the rest of the sword to include the pommel cap I can't answer that.
Here are a few more photos. It appears to have the flat pommel cap found on type 1 versions. I'm not at all familiar with versions that were made for/went to state militias.

Are these photos enough to make a determination?

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I'm not sure. The total number ordered in 1859 is not specified, but whatever it was, 200 sabers from the 1859 order were delivered in 1860 and another 1300 were delivered in 1861. I'm not sure we can conclude that all the sabers delivered in 1860 were dated 1860 and not 1859. Similarly, I'm not sure those delivered in 1861 were not dated 1860. If they were made and inspected in late 1860 and just not delivered until early in the new year, they would probably be dated 1860.
 
After some more research, I purchased the Ames Model 1840 Artillery Saber that I asked about. It is a "Type 1" model.

From Thillmann's book, Civil War Cavalry and Artillery Sabers, "The model 1840 artillery sabers were used for an extended period of time beginning in 1840 and lasting until the turn of the century." Ames was the principal manufacturer from 1844 through 1865.

According to Thillmann, "They are among the scarcest of the class of swords that fit the term "sabers" because the mounted artillery was a small branch of service...Ames manufactured the model 1840 in small batches of 500 to 1,000 until the advent of the US Civil War in 1861.

The earliest type was made by Ames under contract from 1844 to 1860...Referred to as the type 1, it has a recess inlayed into the hand guard facing the blade, which accepts the scabbard throat. The scabbard throat...has the raw edge without a mount so that it would slip easily into the guard recess....Any type 1 artillery saber is sought after by sword and Civil War collectors because of their pre- and early-war history."


I had asked earlier in this thread as to whether the saber in question was one of 200 delivered by Ames in 1860. It was rightly supposed that some sabers dated 1860 may have actually been delivered in 1861. It's entirely possible. However, I am thinking that this saber was made earlier than later given some information about the guard found in Thillmann's book (which I understand isn't definitive but it's a wifely accepted key reference book.)

When discussing different models - type 1 and type 2 - Thillmann states that the change to the type 2 model "occurred some time in 1860, because some model 1840 sabers with this date have the flat guard while others turn up with the recessed type 1 guard." Assuming Thillmann is correct and Ames switched from manufacturing type 1 to type 2 sabers in 1860, this leads me to think that this particular saber was manufactured earlier.

Of course this is just speculation on my part and perhaps wishful speculation at that. Regardless, I'm very happy with this saber and it will join my growing collection of Ames sabers (models 1833, 1840 and 1860 cavalry sabers).

This saber is dated 1860 and has the US acceptance stamp with inspector initials JT on the blade, the scabbard drag, and the pommel (WAT is also stamped on the pommel). It also has the number 75 stamped on the guard which I assume is a rack number or equivalent.

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Mine is stamped 105 on the Guard, 68 on the throat of the scabbard (if you can see it), and 29 on the scabbard drag. Why? Good question. Anyone know? Or maybe his scabbard got bent or dented when a horse stepped on it. Oh I'll just replace it with Wilbur's scabbard since he won't need it anymore. A 12 pound Rebel solid shot just ripped thru his chest. Got me?
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