1863 sharps carbine info needed

[Msburbank]

Hello I recently purchased a 1863 sharps serial #75336 this gun tells a story and is priceless in my book I've attached some pictures for you all to see
I'm trying to find out as much info as I can thank you

 

[plymouthairrifle]

#75336 is not listed in SSR sorry.

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

I wonder about those markings - who - when - why. Not sure if they add or subtract value.

 

[Conquerordie]

What are the MOND after Bull Run, Petersburg, and Fair Oaks? Do you have any history of the piece as to its markings that make you believe they are legit? I get nervous when I see CSA scratched on a stock.

 

[bayonet]

Those carved markings look old I would bet done by a Veteran not long after the War but not in the last several decades. Is that also an Indian Teepee carved in the stock? Then I'd say the Vet also took it out west after the war. If some character was going to fake CSA markings why bother with a Teepee?

 

[Msburbank]

Hello thank y'all for the comments from what I know it was handed down through the family he was a forester that served in lee army northern Virginia was wounded, and survived, the gun and his pistol was kept and handed down until now family no longer wanted it kept in there possession! I do fell like he was telling his story through the markings on the stock. Several gun smiths have examined the gun all claim markings date back to time periods by age of cravings if anything it's a show off piece that tells someone's story thank you I'll keep digging
Update : one family member did reach out found a letter where he fought in the Indian wars which may explain the the teepees

 

[Msburbank]

What are the MOND after Bull Run, Petersburg, and Fair Oaks? Do you have any history of the piece as to its markings that make you believe they are legit? I get nervous when I see CSA scratched on a stock.

Still researching MOND

 

[JOHN42768]

A photo showing the full length would be good. The carvings are old, but without any provenance. The strange thing is the barrel stamping "New Model 1862". 1859 or 1863 would make sense. Only Sharps in 1862 was the Sharps & Hankins and that was a covered barrel and different shape.

 

[Msburbank]

Thank for here are some more photos

 

[Story]

@Msburbank
WRT I'm trying to find out as much info as I can thank you , I would suggest running "Sharps Carbine" in the search bar and reading the many many threads on these weapons - purely for your own self-edification.

Your Sharps is simply chock full of mojo, no matter when the graffiti was carved. Thanks for sharing the pics.

One thing I can share is that the breach bolts can get/be clogged over the last 150 years and will require attention, if one plans on actually shooting it.

Rhetorically, ask me how I know. ​

 

[Story]

Hello thank y'all for the comments from what I know it was handed down through the family he was a forester that served in lee army northern Virginia was wounded, and survived, the gun and his pistol was kept and handed down until now family no longer wanted it kept in there possession! I do fell like he was telling his story through the markings on the stock. Several gun smiths have examined the gun all claim markings date back to time periods by age of cravings if anything it's a show off piece that tells someone's story thank you I'll keep digging
Update : one family member did reach out found a letter where he fought in the Indian wars which may explain the the teepees

If you know his name (and hopefully his unit), I'd suggest starting a thread over here

Researching Civil War Records & Ancestry

Do you have a distant relative who fought in the Civil War? Would you like to find out if you do? This is the discussion for you!

civilwartalk.com

If you discover that his service actually matches the battles carved into the stock, then that'd be circumstantial evidence linking the carbine to the soldier.

It's not ironclad but it's worth the digital due diligence.

FWIW, I've linked my Model 1859 to Company I 15th Pennsylvania Cavalry the same way.

 

[Story]

Another suggestion - if you have someone hold the carbine for you up to a light source and you work the lever so the breechblock drops, you can take a pic of the bore.

Chances are it'll show it's age but many here would like to see it, I'd guess.

 

[bayonet]

The front sight and rear sight are not original to the gun. The forearm stock has been shortened or replaced to which there is not longer a barrel band. You could replace that if you wanted but might not since the items I mentioned here were done over the history of the gun. Who knows when, no doubt after the war.
On the MOND maybe it's short for MONDAY. He hated getting up Monday to go to work like the rest of us after enjoying the weekend off.

 

[bayonet]

Also it looks like it is still percussion and not converted to cartridges the best I can tell from your pics. You should show a better pic of the hammer. Others might know more than me but if he was in a Army regiment in the Indian Wars after the ACW you would think it would of been converted to firing cartridges. Maybe he took it out West as a personal weapon and it never got converted over.

 

[JOHN42768]

Thank for here are some more photos

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Okay, thanks showing 1863. Makes sense as original sure looked like 1862 which had me scratching my head. Definitely a war horse.

 

[wwf]

Fascinating piece. Does the serial number on the barrel match that on the tang? Looks like some wood worms or termites got to the stock, making those long grooves - a replacement stock maybe? But the mishmash of dates carved into the stock are weird - why is there an 1852 there? And, in fact, why is there an carved 1862 when the carbine is an 1863 model - clearly it couldn't have been used in 1862. As someone said earlier, the carving had to be somewhat after the actual events, perhaps as a way to record the owner's own experiences. And, if they were actually Confederate, the carbine had to have been captured or acquired later.

 

[MRB1863]

That is one interesting collectible!