1816 muskets

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Here are some pics and info to add to the knowledge bank. This is just a basic look. Hopefully this may inspire further study by the reader. The M.1816 musket saw much use with both sides during the length of the war. The M.1816 went through a number of changes in it service life. 3 distinct models, yet all classified as M.1816s. The earliest will have dates starting in 1818 going to 1822. These are true M1816's but are not yet standardize in there dimensions, interchangeability or method of manufacture. The 1822 is considered the first of the M1816s to get close to the goals set by the ordinance Dept. in the afore note sentence. In the times, these were indeed called model 1822 pattern muskets even thou they were still true M1816s. The other changes made from this point on are in the rear swivel and its attachment to the trigger bow, the size and style of the lettering on the lock and barrel. The eagle stamps also go thru some changes on the lock and barrel as well. All M1816s are 69 cal. and originally fired a 64 cal. round ball with 120 grain power charge. Buck and ball cartridges were issued as well. Flints were issued out 1 flint to 25 rounds. Each musket was issued with a socket bayonet with an average blade length of 15 1/2". The M1816 was made at the Springfield and Harpers Ferry armories. These muskets originally were issued to federal troops. The M.1816s made by contractors were scheduled for state militia as per the 1808 militia act. At the Springfield armory, the M.1816 was made until 1835. Here it was fazed out and replaced by the M.1840. At Harpers ferry, the M.1816 was made up to 1844. They went from the M.1816 right to the M.1842. The images: top a transitional M.1812/1816. Here the armories are using up the last of the M.1812 locks but stocking them on the new pattern. Note, on this original Springfield, the lock has the last of the integral iron flash pans and has a date of 1817 yet the barrel is dated 1818. This is how a transitional M.1816 should appear. 2nd musket : a first pattern M.1816 dated 1820. Note the large size lettering and the angular brass priming pan. The rear swivel is still attached like the M.1812 and earlier models. The one shown here is an Uberti I've re-worked to historical accuracy. Its nearly impossible to find an original flint M.1816 Harpers Ferry. 3rd musket : An original M.1816 dated 1842 from Harpers Ferry. Note the rear swivel is on a knuckle on the bow of the trigger guard. This example shows the classic cone and seat percussion alteration. These alterations were done at Springfield and Harpers Ferry. The alteration code on this one tells us this one was done at Harpers Ferry. The code can be seen as the sets of the letters such as AA and the number 4 stamped on the hammer on the wood next to the breech and right behind the cone. Last
musket : A re-pro M.1842 by Armi-Sport. This musket has also been gone over to make it look historical correct. I put it in just as a comparison to the M.1816. All of the post transitional model M.1816's will have a lot or serial number on their breech such as a large case "Z" accompanied by a small case letter such as "c" followed by a number such as "28". Early M.1816's will have larger size characters after the 1820's. These letters and numbers become quite small. Hopefully this can be seen in the images I've added to this post. Mainly, I hope this will add to the knowledge of weapons used in the Civil War and how to interpret some of their details. If needed, I can give reference to
material found in this post.
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Something else to add. The 1816 was finished either in "bright" or "browned" I think it was circa 1832 that one became standard.

Browning became standard on M1816 type 2's (M1822s) but had been browned on a trial basis prior to that. When the M1822/28 was adopted in 1828 arsenal browning was discontinued, but apparently continued intermittently for a while after 1828.
Springfield continued producing the M1822/28 until 1839, and switched to production of the M1840 the following year.

You've got a very nice collection there. I'm a big fan of the Standard Model of 1815 myself, and own several of them (all percussion alterations). I would clarify that the percussion altered example you have shown is commonly referred to as a "cone-in-barrel" alteration, or "Belgian" alteration. Cone seat alterations, following typical nomenclature, denote brazed bolster alterations typically effected by Confederates.
 
Browning became standard on M1816 type 2's (M1822s) but had been browned on a trial basis prior to that. When the M1822/28 was adopted in 1828 arsenal browning was discontinued, but apparently continued intermittently for a while after 1828.
Springfield continued producing the M1822/28 until 1839, and switched to production of the M1840 the following year.

You've got a very nice collection there. I'm a big fan of the Standard Model of 1815 myself, and own several of them (all percussion alterations). I would clarify that the percussion altered example you have shown is commonly referred to as a "cone-in-barrel" alteration, or "Belgian" alteration. Cone seat alterations, following typical nomenclature, denote brazed bolster alterations typically effected by Confederates.
I have an 1816 still in flint. It is dated 1832 and was made by a Phila, contractor. The barrel is browned.
 
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I've posted my collection of original "smoke poles" before, but in case you haven't seen them, from bottom-to-top they are: M. 1816/22 Harpers Ferry dated 1839 w/arsenal "cone" or Belgian conversion; M. 1840 Springfield dated 1842, ditto; and M. 1842 Harpers Ferry dated 1852. The photos don't show them but each is also mounted with the correct bayonet.

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The subject of 1816 muskets is quite extensive. Trying to fit it in a single post would be impossible. Glad to see the additional input. The U.S. ordinance went back and forth with browning and then polishing these muskets. Browning is a controlled oxidation application applied to prevent rust. This was the problem the ordinance store faced. The muskets rusted while in storage. They found even browned muskets would still corrode and it was expensive and time consuming to do the process, so they switched back to polishing them (in the white/bright). Here the idea was to polish the surface so smooth as to close off the pours of the iron so moisture would not penetrate and this type of process cost less, too. The polishing process won out and was continued for U.S. models till the end of the Civil War. As for the percussioning of the 1816's the Belgium (cone and seat) system was found to be the fastest and least expensive way to accomplish this task. Here is an excerpt from original U.S. ordinance correspondence that will clarify this term(cone and seat). (see 1st picture). It was found that the Belgium (cone and seat) would blow out from the pressure generated by 1816's that were rifled to fire a mini ball. To correct and improve the system, 1816's that were to be rifled had their barrels cut off ahead of the threads. The now cut off barrel was re-threaded in its bore and an entirely new breech section complete with new threads, tang and bolster with threads for a cone (nipple) and clean out screw was installed. In some cases, such as the Southern shops, bolsters were made in swage dies and then attached with a threaded bolt to the side of the barrel. This did 2 things: it made a mechanical attachment and held the bolster in place while it was being brazed on. Once this work was done, the head of the bolt was ground and filed down. Then a flash channel was drilled through the length of the bolt to intersect with the breech. The hole for the cone was then drilled to intersect with the flash channel. In smaller civilian gun shops, some 1816's were altered to percussion using a drum. It's the easiest way to percussion a flint and steel gun. We find many muskets with drum conversions. If it has a musket size cone still in it, there's a good chance its a Civil War period alteration. The 1816 had a long life after the civil War. We're still using them today. Here is one of dozen of pages showing the purchase of guns to be sold out of E.C.Meacham & Co., St. Louis. Note the date 1884 and the amount of 1816's and 42's. (see 2nd picture). P.S.remember the use of term M or model 1822 was applied to all 1816 muskets in the late 19th century.
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This is as good a thread as any for this Scooby Doo mystery.

Pulled this cone-in-bore barrel from an 1822. Thoughts on the 'personalization'?

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Mind you, I *think* I know what it says but I want to know if you guys see what I see.


you could get stabby at great length.

Stabby. Hee hee.

(You had to be there. Inside joke)
 

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I think I can make out V'a 1861 CSA which looks awfully suspicious to me!

I think they were going for something like 'Pvt Ford' but it came out more like Poop Forge.

Considering that it is inscribed with an electric pencil sort of makes the whole thing a "moot point!"
J.

You mean it doesn't look like the toolmarks from the angry beavers used by Tredegar iron works (until the winter of 64/65, when they had to eat the inscribers?)
 
Great Post Thanks for sharing.
 
Poop Forge VA 1861 or 1961 CSA is what it says.

Wasn't 'The Skirmish at Poop Forge' one of those early Twilight Zone episodes, based on an Ambrose Bierce short story found written on the back of a brewery catalog?

Barrel seems to be full length @ 42.5" and despite some pitting around the cone/breach, in decent unmolested shape.

Bummer on the beaver marks.
 
This is as good a thread as any for this Scooby Doo mystery.

Pulled this cone-in-bore barrel from an 1822. Thoughts on the 'personalization'?

zdNuvAi.jpg

Mind you, I *think* I know what it says but I want to know if you guys see what I see.




Stabby. Hee hee.

(You had to be there. Inside joke)
Those first few digits looks like 1800P which could refer to the lock.
 

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