Trivia 11-17-17

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Regular question (great one, btw!)

The date is July 26, 1863.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/confederate-leader-john-hunt-morgan-is-captured

The American polition/statesman who died in Huntsville, TX was Sam Houston.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2005689216/
The one who died in Frankfort, KY was John Jordan Crittenden
https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-J-Crittenden

Bonus:

I guess that was on Sept. 9, 1978.
The dignitaries were:
POTUS Jimmy Carter, Pres. Of Egypt Anwar al Sadat, Israeli Prime Minister Menachem and Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan.
"This tour was held in the midst of Carter’s Camp David Summit, and the participants included not only the Carter family, but President of Egypt Anwar Sadat, Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, and Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan."
https://www.gettysburgdaily.com/pre...rt-3-licensed-battlefield-guide-bob-prosperi/

Thanksgiving bonus reply to follow.
 
John J. Crittenden died in Frankfort, Ky on July 26, 1863
Sam Houston died in Huntsville, Tx on July 26, 1863

Bonus: They attended President Carter's Camp David Summit and visited Little Round Top on September 9, 1978. Those who attended were: President Jimmy Carter, President Anwar Sadat of Egypt, Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, and Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan.

Thanksgiving Bonus: Misspelling of detached "detatched"

Edit - The word was misspelled on the Maryland monument, but that error was not repeated on the Pennsylvania monument.

hoosier
 
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regular:
bonus:
source

since when are questions allowed that ask for more than four answers, and, also, isn't flotus considered to be a dignitary in her own right?

thanksgiving bonus:

i'm gonna spare thatone for tomorrow

Edit - Absolutely, the First Lady should be considered to be a dignitary.

We had an incident about a year ago when somebody asked a question that called for a twelve-part answer, and I let it be known that I didn't want to see any more questions like that one. However, up to now, we have not had any established rule setting a limit on the number of answers a question can ask for.

I will consult with ami and see if she agrees that we should have a rule setting such a limit.

hoosier
 
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  • Sam Houston and John J. Crittenden both died on July 26, 1863.
Bonus:
Bob Prosperi was a young National Park Service Technician (Park Tech) on July 5, 1978 when he received a phone call to take President Jimmy Carter, First Lady Rosalynn Carter, and author Shelby Foote on a tour of the Gettysburg Battlefield the next day July 6, 1978.The tour went well, and Prosperi was requested by President Carter to give another tour on September 9, 1978. This tour was held in the midst of Carter’s Camp David Summit, and the participants included not only the Carter family, but President of Egypt Anwar Sadat, Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, and Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan.
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The picture has nothing to do with the question; it was with the article and I liked it. (Gettysburg Daily)

Thanksgiving Trivia:
No idea, but maybe something to do with the rifles? Wrong kind?
 
Main question: On July 26, 1863, Sam Houston (governor of Tennessee, President of the Republic of Texas, governor of Texas, and all-around interesting guy) and John J. Crittenden (governor of Kentucky and U.S. Attorney General) both died.

Bonus: The names of the dignitaries were President Jimmy Carter, President of Egypt Anwar Sadat, Prime Minister of Israel Menachem Begin, and Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan. Their visit to the Gettysburg NMP took place on September 10, 1978.
https://www.gettysburgdaily.com/jim...rt-1-licensed-battlefield-guide-bob-prosperi/
http://www.gdg.org/Research/Authored Items/ssden.html

Thanksgiving Bonus: I couldn't pin this down for sure, but think the common error is showing troopers on both monuments carrying Spencer rifles, which they did not use at Gettysburg.
 
Friday: Having a lot of problems with the "this day in history sites" which are woefully incomplete.
Morgan captured July 26, 1863 http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/confederate-leader-john-hunt-morgan-is-captured Unfortunately this source doesn't say who died on "this day in history."
Sam Houston died in Texas per https://www.onthisday.com/date/1863/july/26 (I already guessed him)
Per https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-J-Crittenden, the other was John J. Crittenden, best known as author of the Crittenden Compromise.

Bonus: Well, I found three: "On September 10, 1978 during the Middle East Peace Summit, President Carter paid a visit to Gettysburg in company with Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat. One of the stops planned for their tour was Little Round Top. In preparation for this historic event, an NPS memorandum noted that Devil's Den was used by sharpshooters during the battle to pick off high ranking officers on Little Round Top. It warned that the Secret Service should secure that area, in an effort to guard against another such occurrence."
http://www.gdg.org/Research/Authored Items/ssden.html
I suspect that the entourages of the three included a lot of dignitaries. One, according to this source, was Israeli Defense Minister Ezer Weizman. http://www.ultimate70s.com/seventies_history/19780910/news: "Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat were seen chatting across the muzzle of a Union cannon at the Gettysburg Civil War battle site, and that was close to being the best hint of how summit talks on Mideast peace may be going. Israeli Defense Minister Ezer Weizman, also along on the outing, told reporters that two or three more days are needed "for things to crystallize." [Chicago Tribune]"
Per this source: http://www.ibiblio.org/sullivan/diary/09-10-78_Diary.html, Mrs. Carter and Mrs. Begin were also part of the President's motorcade to Gettysburg.

Thanksgiving bonus: I couldn't find an online source that specifically mentions the error, but I think I've found it from the monument descriptions.
Per this site, http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/..._Co_A_Maryland_Cavalry_Monument_Gettysburg_PA, the Purnell Legion monument features a cavalryman carrying a Spencer repeating carbine, acccording to the description.

On the 3rd Pennsylvania monument, http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.co...ennsylvania-cavalry/3rd-pennsylvania-cavalry/, there is also a cavalryman brandishing what looks suspiciously like another Spencer repeating carbine, even though http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMBBC9 describes it as a "rifle"--per the photo, it's too short for a rifle.

The Spencer repeating carbine was not in service until the fall of 1863 and was not available to be used at Gettysburg. @Eric Wittenberg, in an appendix to his The Devil's to Pay: John Buford at Gettysburg, examines this issue (especially the folklore that Buford's troopers had them) in detail.







 
wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1863_deaths

https://www.gettysburgdaily.com/jim...rt-1-licensed-battlefield-guide-bob-prosperi/

Sam Houston and John J. Crittenden. Edit - date not specified.

Bonus: President Jimmy Carter and family; Egyptian President Anwar Sadat; Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan; and Shelby F0oote.

Thanksgiving Bonus:

Edit - Both the main question and the bonus question asked for dates. Foote wasn't at the meeting with the Middle Eastern dignitaries.

hoosier
 
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Sam Houston (TX) and John J. Crittenden (KY) died on July 26, 1863.
Bonus: Jimmy Carter, Rosalynn Carter, Anwar Sadat and Menachim Begin visited Gettysburg on July 6, 1978.
Thanksgiving Bonus: Both monuments show cavalrymen with Spencers, which they did not have in the battle.

Edit - Jimmy and Rosalynn visited Gettysburg twice during 1978, once in July and once in September. The visit with the Middle Eastern dignitaries took place in September.

hoosier
 
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Correction of the bonus question :

As for the date of the visit of Pres. Carter. Pres. Sadat and Prime Minister Begin I found two different dates!
My source above says it was Sept. 9, 1978:

"The tour went well, and Prosperi was requested by President Carter to give another tour on September 9, 1978. This tour was held in the midst of Carter’s Camp David Summit, and the participants included not only the Carter family, but President of Egypt Anwar Sadat, Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, and Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan."

https://www.gettysburgdaily.com/pre...rt-3-licensed-battlefield-guide-bob-prosperi/

But the official diary of President Carter says Sept. 10, 1978, so this is my final answer
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https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&sour...BSkQFgiGATAZ&usg=AOvVaw1NQrdX0tP5tnIGhh5bYPtu
 
Regular Trivia Question:
The date was July 26, 1863
The two who died that day were Sam Houston (first President of the Republic of Texas) at Huntsville TX
and John J Crittenden (15th and 22nd US Attorney General) at Frankfurt KY

BONUS: Although some sources record the date as Sept 9, 1978, according to the National Archives image, the date was actually September 10, 1978. https://catalog.archives.gov/id/181180
The dignitaries were:
US President Jimmy Carter (and First Lady Rosalynn Carter)
President of Egypt Anwar Sadat
Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin
Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan
https://www.gettysburgdaily.com/jim...rt-1-licensed-battlefield-guide-bob-prosperi/

Thanksgiving Bonus: No idea. Ill come back to it if I have time.
 
On the day that John Hunt Morgan and 360 of his men were captured at Salineville, Ohio, two well known American politicians/statesmen died. One died in Huntsville, Texas, and the other died in Frankfort, Kentucky. Name the date and the two well known American figures who died.
Credit: @chellers

Bonus: In 1978 the National Park Service prepared a memorandum for the Secret Service indicating that they should secure the Devil's Den, a noted location for snipers during the Battle of Gettysburg, while 4 dignitaries visited Little Round Top. What are their names and what date did this occur on????
Credit: @JohnW.

Thanksgiving Bonus: Two monuments, 1st Maryland (Co.A. Purnell Legion) Cavalry & 3rd Pennsylvania Cavalry, both located in East Cavalry Battlefield Gettysburg have an error common to both of them. What is the err?
credit: @JOHN42768

No trivia will posted next week. Both 11/16 & 11/17 Trivia questions will be closed with answers posted on Monday November 20th.
Trivia will resume on November 27th
The date was July 26, 1863.
The 2 politicians that died on this date were Sam Houston and John Jordan Crittenden.

Bonus:
September 17, 1978 during the Camp David Accords when negotiations seemed to be going poorly president Jimmy Carter visited Gettysburg with Egyptian President Anwar al Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menacham Begin. I am unaware of a 4th.
 
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Other 2 Qs answered above.
Edit to add answer for

Thanksgiving Bonus:
I'm going to guess that both monuments exhibit the wrong gun (Spencer repeater) in the hands of the soldier?
The 3rd PA Cavalry carried Sharps carbines and I found one source that says the Purnell Legion was armed with Merrill carbines?
"The Ordnance Department issued Merrill carbines to the following Union cavalry and infantry regiments:
Arkansas 2nd; Colorado 2nd; Delaware 1st; Illinois 1st, 11th, 16th, 83rd Mounted Infantry; Indiana 2nd, 6th, 7th, 12th; Kansas 2nd, 6th, 7th, 14th; Kentucky 2nd, 4th, 5th, 26th Mounted Infantry; Maryland Purnell Legion ........"

Source for Purnell Legion ~ http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/VFPC...g/DETAILS.IDC,SPECIFIC=13475,DATABASE=objects,
Source for the 3d PA Cav ~ https://archive.org/stream/01683643.3138.emory.edu/01683643_3138_djvu.txt - page 166
 
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Huntsville, Texas - Sam Houston
Frankfort, Kentucky - John J. Crittenden

Bonus
September 9, 1978 - President Jimmy Carter, President of Egypt Anwar Sadat, Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, and Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan.
https://www.gettysburgdaily.com/pre...rt-3-licensed-battlefield-guide-bob-prosperi/

Bonus
My wild guess based on looking at what is engraved on them - they both give a July 2, 1863 date as well as a July 3, 1863 (the actual date of the cavalry battle known as East Cavalry). I found several monuments from that action having only the date of July 3rd.
https://www.civilwar.org/learn/maps/gettysburg-east-cavalry-field
The Maryland Purnell Legion monument & Third Pennsylvania:
http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.com/union-monuments/maryland/purnell-legion/
http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.co...ennsylvania-cavalry/3rd-pennsylvania-cavalry/

Edit - DBF, good, honest soul that she is, pointed out that she omitted the date in her response to the main question.

Her answer to the Thanksgiving Day bonus was revised in a subsequent post.

hoosier
 
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