Most Underrated General

Yes, I don't make claims to his being a military genius, but he's a forgotten commander in many ways. Remember also, he was just as new to corps command as Meade was to army command, having replaced Meade as commander of the V Corps on Meade's promotion to army command. Sykes had commanded the Regulars for most of the war and was most associated with them.

No argument there. I'd rank him a B for division command - nothing spellbinding enough for an A, but the Regulars being a byword for dependable merits at least that much.

And while not known for being quick to take initiative, that's not necessarily a point against a division commander. His job is to execute, not originate, plans for action.

When Meade reorganized the Army of the Potomac and Sykes was displaced, Charles Wainwright wrote, "A number of general officers are relieved from duty with this army; Corps commanders Sykes, French, and Newton, and Brigade Commanders Kenly, Spinola, and Meredith. The first is the only one I should think any loss."

Wainright was an opinionated sort of fellow to put it politely, but I agree with him here. Kenly might have been okay, but the other four? The army was better off without them.
 
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He was temporarily in command of Pickett's division, General Corse took over the command for his brigade, hunton was given command of Pickett's old brigade, Jenkins remained in command of his South Carolina brigade. I think after Pickett returned to duty their were no divisional positions availiable and Kemper never recovered from his wound at Gettysburg, not bad for a man who was more of a politician than a general.

True. He was the Governor of Virginia.

http://books.google.com/books?id=vt...6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=general j l kemper&f=false
 
No argument there. I'd rank him a B for division command - nothing spellbinding enough for an A, but the Regulars being a byword for dependable merits at least that much.

And while not known for being quick to take initiative, that's not necessarily a point against a division commander. His job is to execute, not originate, plans for action.



Wainright was an opinionated sort of fellow to put it politely, but I agree with him here. Kenly might have been okay, but the other four? The army was better off without them.

"Long Sol" Meredith was a solid officer, IMO.

R
 
"Long Sol" Meredith was a solid officer, IMO.

R
How so?

I don't get an impression of him being a disaster, but he doesn't seem to have had any great role in the brigade's performance at Gettysburg for the good either.

Picking Gettysburg as the battle that tested the Iron Brigade to the limits one could ask of any troops.
 
How so?

I don't get an impression of him being a disaster, but he doesn't seem to have had any great role in the brigade's performance at Gettysburg for the good either.

Picking Gettysburg as the battle that tested the Iron Brigade to the limits one could ask of any troops.

My apologies. I was thinking of Lysander Cutler, not Meredith. Goes to show that one shouldn't post when one should be sleeping.

R
 
My apologies. I was thinking of Lysander Cutler, not Meredith. Goes to show that one shouldn't post when one should be sleeping.

R
No worries, both were Iron Brigade commanders.

And Cutler definitely deserves to be put on the "Volunteers of quality" list.
 
And Cutler definitely deserves to be put on the "Volunteers of quality" list.
As a brigade commander, absolutely; as a division commander in the early assaults on the Petersburg entrenchments - in which he was ordered to support an advance and just sat there - not so much. His deteriorating health meant his succession of Wadsworth was lackluster at best.
 
As a brigade commander, absolutely; as a division commander in the early assaults on the Petersburg entrenchments - in which he was ordered to support an advance and just sat there - not so much. His deteriorating health meant his succession of Wadsworth was lackluster at best.
Can't argue there.

1864 seems to have been very unforgiving for those of indifferent health.
 
Just making sure I'm on the same page:

As of the Antietam order of battle we have:

Jackson's Division: Open. Four brigades.
Ewell's Division: Open. Four brigades.
Harvey Hill's Division: Taken . Five brigades.
Light Division: Taken. Six brigades.

McLaws's Division: Taken. Four brigades.
Anderson's Division: Taken (if Anderson recovers, as he did) Six brigades.
D. R. Jones's Division: Taken. Six brigades.

That leaves two brigades under Hood, another two under Walker, and Evans's "independent" brigade.

Pickett gets three of Jones's brigades and one of Anderson's for his division - Freeman refers to it as "the greater part of Longstreet's old division", but compared to the divisions at Antietam it might as well be a new one.

So I'm not sure there's only, if one really wanted to promote Kemper, two openings. Might take some work, but its not as if Pickett is taking either of the divisions without a permanent commander.

DR Jones was the senior brigadier in Longstreet's Division which tactically divided into 2 3-brigade divisions, one under Jones and one (Pickett's) under Kemper.

Pickett returns and gets his old division (Garnett (ex-Pickett), Kemper and Jenkins (ex-Anderson)) plus Armistead's brigade (formerly from the Army of Norfolk) and a new brigade created as part of the shuffle to state brigade thus:

PICKETT"S DIVISION.
Maj. Gen. GEORGE E. PICKETT.

Garnett's Brigade.
Brig. Gen. RICHARD B. GARNETT.

8th Virginia.
18th Virginia.
19th Virginia.
28th Virginia.
56th Virginia.

- all regiments in this brigade at Antietam, and during the Seven Days

Armistead's Brigade.
Brig. Gen. LEWIS A. ARMISTEAD.

9th Virginia.
14th Virginia.
38th Virginia.
53rd Virginia.
57th Virginia.

- all regiments in this brigade at Antietam, and during the Seven Days

Kemper's Brigade.
Brig. Gen. JAMES L. KEMPER.

1st Virginia.
3rd Virginia
7th Virginia.
11th Virginia.
24th Virginia.

- 3rd Va has joined from Pryor's brigade and the 17th Va (Col Corse) has left, probably to juggle things to give Corse a brigade

Jenkins' Brigade.
Brig. Gen. M. JENKINS.

1st South Carolina (Hagood's).
2nd South Carolina Rifles
5th South Carolina.
6th South Carolina.
Hampton Legion.
Palmetto Sharpshooters.

- all regiments in this brigade at Antietam, and during the Seven Days

Corse' s Brigade.
Brig. Gen. MONTGOMERY D. CORSE.

15th Virginia.
17th Virginia.
30th Virginia.
32nd Virginia.

- new brigade created from the two Va regts (15th and 32nd) of Semmes brigade (becomes an all Ga bde), 17th Va of Pryor's brigade (becomes Perry's all Fl bde) and 30th Va of Walker's brigade (becomes Cookes' all NC bde).

Also, three of the brigades of Anderson's division were part of Longstreet's 9 bde division. Longstreet had organised his massive division into three tactical divisions of 3 bdes each. Wright's "division" was attached to Anderson's 3 bde division.
 
One of the greatly underrated Confederate generals is Robert Hoke, a son of the Tarheel state, North Carolina.
When his home state seceded from the USA he was 24 years old. He enlisted in the 1st North Carolina Infantry and was elected to captain.
At the Battle of Big Bethel, General D.H. Hill praised Hoke for "coolness, judgment and efficiency". In September, 1861 he earned a promotion to Major.
He was afterwards promoted to Lt. Col. of the 33rd North Carolina Infantry, impressing friend and foe with his gallantry in New Bern. Being now the colonel of the 33rd, since its original was captured in the aforementioned battle, Hoke led the regiment in the Peninsula Campaign under General Lawrence O'Bryan Branch. He also fought with distinction at Second Manassas and Sharpsburg.
When the original commander of the 33rd, a Colonel Avery, returned from captivity, Hoke was transferred in the 21st North Carolina Infantry in Trimble's brigade, Early's division. At the Battle of Fredericksburg, Hoke played a role in repulsing Meade's advance.
At Chancellorsville, he fell wounded defending Marye's Heights and was sent in his home state to recuperate.
In early 1864, Hoke, a brigadier now, took part in the Battle of Plymouth, in his home state, capturing almost 3000 Yankees. In late April, 1864, Hoke was promoted to major general. He was detached, alongside his division, to reinforce General Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, a few days before the Battle of Cold Harbor, where he played a pivotal role in the utter defeat of Grant's attacks.
In December, 1864, Hoke and his men returned in North Carolina. The youthful major general led bravely his troops at Bentonville, repulsing several attacks by the Yankees, until their numerical superiority had the final word.
Hoke surrendered with the rest of Joseph E. Johnston's army.

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General Robert Hoke, CSA, I salute you!
Civil War Scholar.
 
In fact, Elennsar, scarcely is even Hoke's name mentioned in several histories of the Civil War. Let alone his only independent command, Plymouth, one of the forgotten battles. So, if Hoke's name is not mentioned and his independent command largely forgotten, he is underrated.
Civil War Scholar.
 
Did Ramseur misdeploy of the 49th, or was it just caught up in the worst of it? He seems to have taken a bit of effort to get used to division command.

Well, he was near sighted and from what I have read, that probably didn't help the situation. Then throw in his eagerness to please Early led to a bad situation. Here, you can read the accounts. http://www.civilwartalk.com/threads/bethesda-church.95783/#post-812556. Up until this fight, the 31st probably had the worst of the war so far, at Port Republic for casualty rates. Believe they passed the torch to the 49th this day.
 
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And of course, no other source mentions it.
Civil War Scholar.

The Confederate habit of murdering Black Union soldiers rather than accepting their surrender has been well documented, not only at Plymouth but at other battles like Olustee, Poison Spring, Saltville, Fort Pillow, the Crater and dozens of others. Gregory Urwin provides details in his Black Flag Over Dixie: Racial Atrocities and Reprisals in the Civil War.
 
The Confederate habit of murdering Black Union soldiers rather than accepting their surrender has been well documented, not only at Plymouth but at other battles like Olustee, Poison Spring, Saltville, Fort Pillow, the Crater and dozens of others. Gregory Urwin provides details in his Black Flag Over Dixie: Racial Atrocities and Reprisals in the Civil War.
Keyser Soze,
I see you mentioned Ft. Pillow. A common belief is that CSA troops massacred black USA troops. Don't forget that the fort never raised the white flag and thus it was still a battle. You cannot say that a battle is a massacre, when black Union soldiers are falling. Same applies to Poison Springs, Olustee, the Crater and Saltville. Add Port Hudson too, for good measure. When a battle is fought, it is a battle.
Civil War Scholar.
 

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