HF Jack Hinson Novel

Historical-Fiction
"The neighbors claim that Hinson was secessionist in his politics, and that there had been a longstanding quarrel between the murdered neighbor and Hinson."

Some of them did, not all. There's a lot of conflicting testimony.

The provost marshal gives no conclusion to the case and did not take any testimony from Hinson.
The Hinson testimony I posted was taken by civilian authority in Maury County, TN. It's not about Rougemont.
The neighbors either said they didn't know his politics, or they said he was secessionist in his politics. None of them stated that he was unionist in his politics.

It should also be noted that one of the neighbors testified "I know his sons." Present tense. This is well after two sons were supposedly beheaded.
 
Last edited:
In fact, family folklore is often wrong. Many of us have that experience, especially with folklore that's handed down over several generations. "Research" based largely on family folklore is inherently unreliable.
Guess that depends on the family. The family stories my Grandmother told me, I've been able to confirm. I'm sure my experience is not unique in that regard.
 
Guess that depends on the family. The family stories my Grandmother told me, I've been able to confirm. I'm sure my experience is not unique in that regard.
Glad you said this. I have had similar experiences with family stories. While embellishment can exist anywhere, we should not be quick to toss these stories on the trash heap.
 
Guess that depends on the family. The family stories my Grandmother told me, I've been able to confirm. I'm sure my experience is not unique in that regard.
I would think that some stories would have a better chance of staying accurate as they get passed down through succeeding generations. But stories associated with a war that even still today engenders bad feelings are much more likely to have become embellished with every telling.

I think the biggest problem with the Jack Hinson story is that there is no evidence on the union side that anything was happening. Certainly no evidence of a reward being posted for his capture. And the cavalry unit that he supposedly targeted suffered few casualties during the winter.
 
Yes I understand he had several sons. Beheadings just seem like something that people would mention. Maybe even report to the provost marshal.
The sources McKenney gives for the killing of the two sons-

The Land Between the Rivers by J Milton Henry, p.121

"Guerillas and Bushwhackers in Middle Tennessee During the Civil War" by Jill Knight Garrett, Part 1, p.79
(Tennessee State Library and Archives)

footnote.jpg
 
The sources McKenney gives for the killing of the two sons-

The Land Between the Rivers by J Milton Henry, p.121

"Guerillas and Bushwhackers in Middle Tennessee During the Civil War" by Jill Knight Garrett, Part 1, p.79
(Tennessee State Library and Archives)

View attachment 537830
"Killing?" McKenney claims that these two secondary sources specifically describe it as killings or beheadings? And what is their source?
Neither one is available online.
 
I would think that some stories would have a better chance of staying accurate as they get passed down through succeeding generations. But stories associated with a war that even still today engenders bad feelings are much more likely to have become embellished with every telling.
One such story, she specifically told me about her Grandfather in the Cavalry during the war. Decades later, I was able to find his service records/pension/etc.. and prove that she was right. Not only that he was cavalry, but even some battles he was in. It was pretty satisfying to find the evidence proving she was right.
I think the biggest problem with the Jack Hinson story is that there is no evidence on the union side that anything was happening. Certainly no evidence of a reward being posted for his capture. And the cavalry unit that he supposedly targeted suffered few casualties during the winter.
I love the Jack Hinson story. Summer of 2023 I went to his neck of the woods:
355632463_10159758006062405_4186280500065354369_n.jpg


I'd like to see more evidence confirming his story. However, the fact that the Union records don't document much about him, doesn't mean his story isn't real. We've seen examples on this very forum of stuff mentioned by the Yankees in OR's only to have it discounted, or even ridiculed.

I can't imagine a Yankee beheading a couple of youths, putting their heads on pikes, & documenting it in a report. I would expect stuff like that to specifically NOT be written down, or recorded.
 
I'm currently investigating Hinson and Grant and Forrest. So far, the former seems unlikely and the latter plausible.

First of all McKenney's Donelson narrative has Hinson telling Grant that Donelson had evacuated on Feb 16 (pgs 99-102). His only source is an interview with a member of the Hinson family (pg 372n58).

Hinson's affidavit only mentions Pillow, which was supposed to only be about Pillow, so that makes sense. But Grant never mentioned this info in his report of the battle. If Hinson really did that, wouldn't this have been brought up in reports of the battle, or in memoirs? Not just Grant's, but Wallace's?

From the "Selected Letters" in the LOA version of his Memoirs (taken from the OR and the PUSG, unedited):

Screenshot 2025-02-04 200411.png

Screenshot 2025-02-04 200416.png

Screenshot 2025-02-04 200430.png


As for being Forrest's scout, McKenney's only source is Battles and Sketches of the Army of Tennessee by Bromfield Riley. Riley interviewed the Anderson guy @19thGeorgia mentioned.

Screenshot 2025-02-04 201504.png

Screenshot 2025-02-04 201509.png

Screenshot 2025-02-04 201516.png


Forrest after supposedly meeting Hinson (OR 39:1:870):


Screenshot 2025-02-04 201131.png

Screenshot 2025-02-04 201152.png


Forrest's Johnstonville report:

Screenshot 2025-02-04 201039.png

Screenshot 2025-02-04 201049.png

Screenshot 2025-02-04 201105.png


No mention of a scout.

However, I still think it's possible he scouted for Forrest, mainly based on Anderson. Anderson had no reason to lie about this. I find the Grant story highly unlikely, since nobody ever mentioned it.
 
One such story, she specifically told me about her Grandfather in the Cavalry during the war. Decades later, I was able to find his service records/pension/etc.. and prove that she was right. Not only that he was cavalry, but even some battles he was in. It was pretty satisfying to find the evidence proving she was right.

I love the Jack Hinson story. Summer of 2023 I went to his neck of the woods:
View attachment 537833

I'd like to see more evidence confirming his story. However, the fact that the Union records don't document much about him, doesn't mean his story isn't real. We've seen examples on this very forum of stuff mentioned by the Yankees in OR's only to have it discounted, or even ridiculed.

I can't imagine a Yankee beheading a couple of youths, putting their heads on pikes, & documenting it in a report. I would expect stuff like that to specifically NOT be written down, or recorded.
I admit its an intriguing story, but if an author makes up stuff--and multiple parts of the story are contradicted and unsubstantiated elsewhere--don't we have a right to question it?
 
One such story, she specifically told me about her Grandfather in the Cavalry during the war. Decades later, I was able to find his service records/pension/etc.. and prove that she was right. Not only that he was cavalry, but even some battles he was in. It was pretty satisfying to find the evidence proving she was right.

I love the Jack Hinson story. Summer of 2023 I went to his neck of the woods:
View attachment 537833

I'd like to see more evidence confirming his story. However, the fact that the Union records don't document much about him, doesn't mean his story isn't real. We've seen examples on this very forum of stuff mentioned by the Yankees in OR's only to have it discounted, or even ridiculed.

I can't imagine a Yankee beheading a couple of youths, putting their heads on pikes, & documenting it in a report. I would expect stuff like that to specifically NOT be written down, or recorded.
It's not surprising that you'd be able to confirm the regiments and battles. I've done that for my family too. It's more unreliable when it comes to claims of individual actions and tales of derring-do. People embellish that kind of thing.

If there's no evidence confirming Hinson's story, then it didn't happen. It's not like beheading someone was a common occurrence. Someone would have mentioned it.
 
I'm currently investigating Hinson and Grant and Forrest. So far, the former seems unlikely and the latter plausible.

First of all McKenney's Donelson narrative has Hinson telling Grant that Donelson had evacuated on Feb 16 (pgs 99-102). His only source is an interview with a member of the Hinson family (pg 372n58).

Hinson's affidavit only mentions Pillow, which was supposed to only be about Pillow, so that makes sense. But Grant never mentioned this info in his report of the battle. If Hinson really did that, wouldn't this have been brought up in reports of the battle, or in memoirs? Not just Grant's, but Wallace's?

From the "Selected Letters" in the LOA version of his Memoirs (taken from the OR and the PUSG, unedited):

View attachment 537834
View attachment 537835
View attachment 537836

As for being Forrest's scout, McKenney's only source is Battles and Sketches of the Army of Tennessee by Bromfield Riley. Riley interviewed the Anderson guy @19thGeorgia mentioned.

View attachment 537841
View attachment 537842
View attachment 537843

Forrest after supposedly meeting Hinson (OR 39:1:870):


View attachment 537837
View attachment 537838

Forrest's Johnstonville report:

View attachment 537844
View attachment 537845
View attachment 537846

No mention of a scout.

However, I still think it's possible he scouted for Forrest, mainly based on Anderson. Anderson had no reason to lie about this. I find the Grant story highly unlikely, since nobody ever mentioned it.
And the Riley account has the sons shot as bushwhackers, not beheaded. It's like every account is different.
 
And the Riley account has the sons shot as bushwhackers, not beheaded. It's like every account is different.
I didn't even catch that. I think they were probably bushwhackers/guerrillas. An execution would not be prompted by just a couple of guys with guns. Also consider they were arrested before.
 
I admit its an intriguing story, but if an author makes up stuff--and multiple parts of the story are contradicted and unsubstantiated elsewhere--don't we have a right to question it?
Obviously.

I'm just taken aback by the double standards. I can point to another author who spewed lots of conjecture, & opinion in his book. Y'all defend him at all costs.
 
I didn't even catch that. I think they were probably bushwhackers/guerrillas. An execution would not be prompted by just a couple of guys with guns. Also consider they were arrested before.
They probably were bushwhackers. But even so, I doubt they were simply executed. Later in the war is when summary executions of guerrillas was more common.
 

Learn About Us
About CivilWarTalk
Contact the Webmaster
Meet the Staff
Link to CivilWarTalk
Join Our Community
Register
Browse Forums
View Today's Discussions
Search the Forum
Get Help
FAQ
Student Guide
Forum Rules & Etiquette
Copyright / DMCA

     Contact Us CivilwarTalk on Facebook CivilWarTalk on YouTube CivilWarTalk on Twitter RSS Feed

Bringing the American Civil War and More to Life.
© 1999 - , CIVILWARTALK, LLC - Site Version 10.0

SlaveryTalk.com - SecessionTalk.com - CivilWarTalk.com - ReconstructionTalk.com
Back
Top