HF Jack Hinson Novel

[TallTallMan]

I would believe these marks appear to be the sighting in of a custom job. Probably not.

Since y'all seem to enjoy the pictures, here are a few more......

a) Two Colt revolvers (Navy & Army) that belonged to Hinson.
b) Markings on top of rifle barrel.
c) View of the river from the mouth of the cave
d) Jack Hinson's grave.

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Those tapmarks look like the rifle's so I guess they all were his after all. I stand corrected.

 

[TallTallMan]

@Rhea Cole Didn't you meet Tom McKenney?

 

[TallTallMan]

When I read the McKenney book I noticed something odd: Hinson visited Pillow at Fort Donelson and then Grant outside the next day. Of course McKenney uses this to show how "neutral" he was, but this struck me as dishonest. Was he selling information? Who visits both sides of a battle? McKenney could not have been so naive as to think that was normal.

Other than that an 80 page description of the battle was unneccessary and probably filler.

 

[19thGeorgia]

So the sons weren't just innocent squirrel hunters?

I'd really like to see any evidence that the sons were beheaded.

He had more sons than the two mentioned in the OR.

 

[19thGeorgia]

I'd really like to see any evidence that the sons were beheaded.

"In addition to the Hinson family account, there is that of Mrs. Frances Love Black of Murfreesboro, Tennessee. Mrs. Black heard the story from her great uncle, Maj. Charles W. Anderson, adjutant general to Forrest, whom she knew as 'Uncle Charley.' Anderson knew Jack Hinson well, served with him on at least three of Forrest's raids, and heard the story from him." (One-Man War, pp. 158-159).

Note: "Series of interviews with the Black-McFarlin family, interview by author, Murfreesboro, Tennessee, August 1993." (p.335)

 

[DanSBHawk]

"In addition to the Hinson family account, there is that of Mrs. Frances Love Black of Murfreesboro, Tennessee. Mrs. Black heard the story from her great uncle, Maj. Charles W. Anderson, adjutant general to Forrest, whom she knew as 'Uncle Charley.' Anderson knew Jack Hinson well, served with him on at least three of Forrest's raids, and heard the story from him." (One-Man War, pp. 158-159).

Note: "Series of interviews with the Black-McFarlin family, interview by author, Murfreesboro, Tennessee, August 1993." (p.335)

I see. Another "family story." Recited a century or more after the fact.

 

[19thGeorgia]

I see. Another "family story." Recited a century or more after the fact.

Oral tradition from two different sources.

 

[DanSBHawk]

Oral tradition from two different sources.

Is that mostly the nature of most of the sources in the book? Hearsay from locals who want the story to be true?

Did any family members of the period write any letters mentioning any of this?

 

[19thGeorgia]

Is that mostly the nature of most of the sources in the book? Hearsay from locals who want the story to be true?

Did any family members of the period write any letters mentioning any of this?

I've just started reading the book.

"Is that mostly the nature of most of the sources in the book? Hearsay from locals who want the story to be true?"

Skimming through the notes - no.

 

[TallTallMan]

Considering his supposed "friendship" with Grant and Forrest, it would seem likely they would've mentioned him in letters, orders, reports, etc. "Some angry old guy with Popeye arms was a scout before the battle blah blah blah".

 

[19thGeorgia]

1860 Census

 

[19thGeorgia]

In fairness to Mr. McKenney, the book was published in 1993. Information that would take us a few hours to find - would take weeks, months or even years for someone in the 80s/early 90s. Numerous visits to courthouses, libraries, state archives, etc.

 

[Belfoured]

In fairness to Mr. McKenney, the book was published in 1993. Information that would take us a few hours to find - would take weeks, months or even years for someone in the 80s/early 90s. Numerous visits to courthouses, libraries, state archives, etc.

Are we referring to the Hinson book? I thought that was published c. 2010. I had to review it in 2010 or 2011.

And whenever it was published, nobody is saying he had to visit those archives. The fact is that he didn't and it's a legitimate criticism of the book that it is based on handed down accounts instead of records. IIRC, he said he spent "fifteen years" researching the book. That's plenty of time to look for primary source records.

 

[Belfoured]

You actually believed something McKenney wrote?

Hilarious thing that has been proved. Hinson was violent before the War. Have to note Tennessee was mostly a frontier 1830, 40, 50s. So this inaccuracy proves he could of never murdered all of these guys during the War!

You are at your best posting cartoons and drawing showing rockets being fired out of something's arse. Maybe you should stick to that.

Now, in addition to claiming that other posters are "biased", you're instructing them on how to put up quality posts? Fabulous ....

 

[19thGeorgia]

Considering his supposed "friendship" with Grant and Forrest, it would seem likely they would've mentioned him in letters, orders, reports, etc. "Some angry old guy with Popeye arms was a scout before the battle blah blah blah".

Here's an affidavit by Hinson (2 Feb 1863) where he says he met Grant at Fort Donelson (Appendix E in book). Sorry for the poor image-

 

[19thGeorgia]

Are we referring to the Hinson book? I thought that was published c. 2010. I had to review it in 2010 or 2011.

And whenever it was published, nobody is saying he had to visit those archives. The fact is that he didn't and it's a legitimate criticism of the book that it is based on handed down accounts instead of records. IIRC, he said he spent "fifteen years" researching the book. That's plenty of time to look for primary source records.

You are right. Where did I get '93?

His research goes back aways ("Series of interviews...1993")-

HF - Jack Hinson Novel | Civil War Books, Stories, & Media

I would believe these marks appear to be the sighting in of a custom job. Probably not. Since y'all seem to enjoy the pictures, here are a few more...... a) Two Colt revolvers (Navy & Army) that belonged to Hinson. b) Markings on top of rifle barrel. c) View of the river from the mouth of the...

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[TallTallMan]

You are right. Where did I get '93?

His research goes back aways ("Series of interviews...1993")-

HF - Jack Hinson Novel | Civil War Books, Stories, & Media

I would believe these marks appear to be the sighting in of a custom job. Probably not. Since y'all seem to enjoy the pictures, here are a few more...... a) Two Colt revolvers (Navy & Army) that belonged to Hinson. b) Markings on top of rifle barrel. c) View of the river from the mouth of the...

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He actually has a few notes all the way back to the 60s. He said he started writing in the 90s so that's probably where you got confused. No worries.

 

[DanSBHawk]

Here's an affidavit by Hinson (2 Feb 1863) where he says he met Grant at Fort Donelson (Appendix E in book). Sorry for the poor image-
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Well, that's interesting. Here's a more legible version. Look for John Hinson. This should make for interesting reading. I just skimmed it but apparently it is in the context of a murder investigation. Hinson allegedly killed his neighbor in Dec '62, and the provost marshal collected testimony from Hinson and his neighbors. The winter of '62-'63 is supposedly when he went on his killing spree, and now we at last have period testimony of him killing one person. His neighbor.

Edited to add: I read the testimony of Hinson's neighbors. This link did not include Hinson's testimony, so I was mistaken on that. The neighbors claim that Hinson was secessionist in his politics, and that there had been a longstanding quarrel between the murdered neighbor and Hinson. One of the testimonies said that Hinson blamed the neighbor for his house being burnt. None of the neighbors - and this was in March '63 - said anything about Hinson's sons being beheaded.

 

[19thGeorgia]

Well, that's interesting. Here's a more legible version. Look for John Hinson. This should make for interesting reading. I just skimmed it but apparently it is in the context of a murder investigation. Hinson allegedly killed his neighbor in Dec '62, and the provost marshal collected testimony from Hinson and his neighbors. The winter of '62-'63 is supposedly when he went on his killing spree, and now we at last have period testimony of him killing one person. His neighbor.

Edited to add: I read the testimony of Hinson's neighbors. This link did not include Hinson's testimony, so I was mistaken on that. The neighbors claim that Hinson was secessionist in his politics, and that there had been a longstanding quarrel between the murdered neighbor and Hinson. One of the testimonies said that Hinson blamed the neighbor for his house being burnt. None of the neighbors - and this was in March '63 - said anything about Hinson's sons being beheaded.

"The neighbors claim that Hinson was secessionist in his politics, and that there had been a longstanding quarrel between the murdered neighbor and Hinson."

Some of them did, not all. There's a lot of conflicting testimony.

The provost marshal gives no conclusion to the case and did not take any testimony from Hinson.
The Hinson testimony I posted was taken by civilian authority in Maury County, TN. It's not about Rougemont.

 

[Belfoured]

You are right. Where did I get '93?

His research goes back aways ("Series of interviews...1993")-

HF - Jack Hinson Novel | Civil War Books, Stories, & Media

I would believe these marks appear to be the sighting in of a custom job. Probably not. Since y'all seem to enjoy the pictures, here are a few more...... a) Two Colt revolvers (Navy & Army) that belonged to Hinson. b) Markings on top of rifle barrel. c) View of the river from the mouth of the...

civilwartalk.com

I had to check myself to make sure I hadn't reviewed a reprint.