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[TallTallMan]

Since Sydney Greenstreet isn't around any more that guy might do pretty good as General Scott. Just a thought.

John

With this guy's accent it'd be less fun to hear "But, well, if you lose a son, it's possible to get another. There's only one Maltese Falcon."

 

[RedRover]

Not gonna lie, I kinda wanna watch it after seeing the trailer. It's gotta be hilariously awful.

That's the spirit!

 

[TallTallMan]

After almost a year starting this thread, I finally watched Kill-Calvary. Needless to say how I feel

Some notes:

• Bad acting, bad writing, no plot, and a predictable ending.
• Excessive Southern partisanship. Especially funny considering Wheeler was a misbehaver--though not as bad as Kilpatrick, but still. At least a step up from CaptBeauregards by having a humane Yankee character.
• Mama Thorn witch stuff was pointless. Apparently she's in the others.
• The battle scenes (Broxton's Bridge and Aiken) were lengthy, boring, and amateurly filmed. They took up a total of 30:40 (Aiken was close to twenty minutes) of a movie, not counting opening and closing credits, 1:09:34. I covered the hilarities of the Broxton's Bridge scene in post #102.
• Ends with
  Spoiler

  the most overkill death in movie history. The guy gets shot a billion times. They literally emptied those Navy Colts!
• Finally, a game: tell me what's wrong with this coda:

 

[Broch]

Chili! Really…

 

[TallTallMan]

Chili! Really…

Lol I didn't even notice that one! I meant Andrew Jackson. He was dead 20 years before.

 

[Broch]

I was too astonished by "Chili" to read any further

 

[TallTallMan]

I was too astonished by "Chili" to read any further

Yeah that was nuts. I guess the titles were done in a foreign country.

 

[Broch]

Let's hope that's the reason.

 

[TallTallMan]

Is this Jerry Chesser the same in these movies? If so, he's in jail.

Inmate Detail - Chesser, Jerry

 

[TallTallMan]

In other news, apparently Forbes did this one last year:

 

[TallTallMan]

I also watched A Rebel Born, which I've been trying to watch since '22! It sucked. But Hampton's Legion and Kill-Calvary were worse.

• The movie was based on a book by and had a script written by Lochlainn Seabrook. That's all you need to know.
• BLACK CONFEDERATES. Forrest also acts more tolerant than 99.9% of America at that point; total Presentism in the oddest place.
• Brice's Crossroads had CS infantry for some reason.
• The actor playing young Forrest was so non-threatening and wimpy it's laughable considering who he's supposed to be.

• He has those stupid, poorly-filmed Aiken and Broxton's Bridge reenactments again, this time over...and over...and over...
• Also the seasons and weather change for scenes where he added stuff to the reenactment footage, as in Hampton's Legion.
• More Swamp Witch. In fact she's in it more than Forrest.
• Forest lists Lincoln as committing "many" war crimes, when in fact he never did, and a blockade is not illegal in any war.
• I think I found the guy @Harms88 mentioned in his review about a guy so fat it'd be criminal to put him on a horse:

Overall 0/10.

 

[RedRover]

I also watched A Rebel Born, which I've been trying to watch since '22! It sucked. But Hampton's Legion and Kill-Calvary were worse.

• The movie was based on a book by and had a script written by Lochlainn Seabrook. That's all you need to know.
• BLACK CONFEDERATES. Forrest also acts more tolerant than 99.9% of America at that point; total Presentism in the oddest place.
• Brice's Crossroads had CS infantry for some reason.
• The actor playing young Forrest was so non-threatening and wimpy it's laughable considering who he's supposed to be.

• He has those stupid, poorly-filmed Aiken and Broxton's Bridge reenactments again, this time over...and over...and over...
• Also the seasons and weather change for scenes where he added stuff to the reenactment footage, as in Hampton's Legion.
• More Swamp Witch. In fact she's in it more than Forrest.
• Forest lists Lincoln as committing "many" war crimes, when in fact he never did, and a blockade is not illegal in any war.
• I think I found the guy @Harms88 mentioned in his review about a guy so fat it'd be criminal to put him on a horse:

Overall 0/10.

When you say "Hampton's Legion" and "Kill Cavalry" are "worse" than "Rebel Born," do you mean Better at being worse, or Worse at being worse?

And either way, is it because there's no swamp witch in the two former?

 

[52ndFandS]

"A rebel born" is on youtube. So is "Hampton's Legion." I think Hampton's Legion is the "better" of the two.

The director, Mr. Forbes, made FIVE films in 2022 alone!

They've even made a new Hunley movie:

Youtube: Trailer, Submerged: the Hunley, 2022

But according to IMDB, his best reviews Civil War flick is "Kill Cavalry" rated 3.2 stars out of 10, and "Burning of Atlanta" (3.9/10). Yes, both are on Youtube.

The production company and distributer of these flicks, ITN, is described in this article. They're described as a micro-budget studio, averaging about 30K per production; about 90 or so flicks a year...

Hollywood Reporter: ITN films...

The actor highlighted in the original post, Mr. William Wyllie, has been in twelve of these productions since 2019. I think he might certainly play a pretty convincing General Winder at Andersonville...

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Did Winder even show up at Andersonville? I read that he was pretty happy prisoners were dying.

 

[52ndFandS]

There's some guy named Christopher Forbes who makes low-budget CW movies. He was responsible for A Rebel Born, a notoiously pro-Forrest movie where he's "tricked" into joining the KKK.

But what's funny is the bizarre actors he chooses to play characters. For example, THIS is Hood in The Burning of Atlanta:

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Well, he must've been a shape-shifter.

And then General Samuel Cooper in A Rebel Born:

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And then Longstreet in Hampton's Legion:

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What?

Have any of you seen these? I have not.

Hood... The war really aged him. But it fed him well.

 

[RedRover]

Did Winder even show up at Andersonville? I read that he was pretty happy prisoners were dying.

General Winder was indeed headquartered at Andersonville in 1864, though his authority extended over facilities in multiple States. Captain Wirz had immediate command of the prisoner stockade, or "Camp Sumter."

In late July, 1864 Colonel David T. Chandler, who found Gen. Winder generally indifferent to the miserable situation in and around the camp, and disinclined to trouble himself about it, to render conditions better. On August 5 Chandler reported to Richmond, with urgency that Winder needed to be replaced immediately... and commented later that Winder's coarseness was a great indicator of the need to act immediately.

Col. Chandler's report was endorsed by General R.H. Chilton who bypassed channels and pushed it directly into the War Department, etc., with the following endorsement:

In the aftermath of Col. Chandler's official report of August 5, the authorities at Richmond ordered the removal of the prisoners to other points...

etc. etc. By November there were only about 1,500 prisoners in the stockade at Andersonville.

Winder produced his own report on the situation, etc. It was said by some an official inquiry was to be held to determine the truth between Chandler's and Winder's reports, etc., but Winder died in early 1865.


James Madison Page, a former prisoner at Andersonville rather disinclined to emphasis the lurid about the whole experience, and who considered Capt. Wirz with a rather more balanced eye than most, found he could not extend much in the way to General Winder...

 

[52ndFandS]

So direct, face to face requests for bolted cornmeal fell on deaf ears? Winder was more of an *** than I thought.

 

[RedRover]

So direct, face to face requests for bolted cornmeal fell on deaf ears? Winder was more of an *** than I thought.

Winder's attitude in the situation was much complained of. However, relative to supplies, unbolted meal was the standard throughout the deep South evidently. There was no source for bolted meal because it was not a common commodity which Winder might have supplied, even had his attitude been better.

The Confederate authorities were constrained to provide the same ration to the prisoners as given to Confederate soldiers. However, with the army unable to provide the legal rations to its troops, the commissary general proposed reducing prisoner rations in 1863.

And evidently the Southern rations were of unbolted cornmeal.

In June, 1864, Capt. Wirz complained to the colonel commanding the post of Camp Sumter (Wirz only commanded the prison stockade) of the quality of the corn meal, and asked that it be bolted, as to sift it out would short the already scanty rations to the prisoners...

Evidently Wirz's request to the post commander and commissary officers fell on deaf ears. Post-war, one of the commissary agents claimed the cause was there was no source for bolted meal. Sifting was all that could be done before baking with the meal...

Former prisoner Mr. Page records that among the Andersonville prisoners, before the numbers exploded...

But that even by August, the rations, scanty as they were included...

Dr. Mann, in his article, noted that amidst the general inefficiency which pervaded practically every aspect of the Andersonville story, besides being scanty, they were inconsistent in quality, and quantity received by each man daily...

Dr. Mann's article can be read here.

The Century illustrated monthly magazine : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Vols. 23-120 also called new ser., v. 1-[98]

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Mr. J.T. King, in his memoir of Andersonville incarceration noted of the rations...

John McElroy mentions the common Southern un-bolted cornmeal was unappetizing to the Union prisoners in any case...

The standard southern unbolted meal was therefore a hardship upon the Union prisoners, many of whom were already sick, etc. Some Southern ladies commented on this in 1920...

While the prisoners at Andersonville got corn meal, one Union soldier captured by Hood's army of Tennessee in late 1864 recalled the prisoners at the front were not given "corn dodgers" like the rebs, but hard-bread made of rice...

"These were unlike any Yankee hard-tack we had ever tackled. They were made out of ground rice and water without any shortening or salt. There were no molars in our squad of prisoners that could grind them, and the only way we could manage them was by pulverizing them between two stones…" [Smith, On Wheels and how I Came There, 202.]

In the decades after the war, bolted cornmeal became rather common in the South, and this was blamed for a rash of malnourishment among Southern people.

In the early 20th Century, Dr. Goldberger identified Pellagra as a common malady in the South, exacerbated by poor nutrition...

In 1909, Dr. W. J. Kerr, formerly a surgeon at Andersonville in 1864, stated that based on the new research on the vicious effects of pellagra, it was probably pellagra and not typhoid as presumed at the time, that killed some of the Union prisoners in 1864.

Spoiled corn does have lots of nasty stuff going on, including fungi etc., but at the present time, it is understood that pellagra itself is caused by a deficiency in Niacin, or B3 vitamin.

 

[13 IL Cav & 64 GA Inf]

There's some guy named Christopher Forbes who makes low-budget CW movies. He was responsible for A Rebel Born, a notoiously pro-Forrest movie where he's "tricked" into joining the KKK.

But what's funny is the bizarre actors he chooses to play characters. For example, THIS is Hood in The Burning of Atlanta:

View attachment 491025

Well, he must've been a shape-shifter.

And then General Samuel Cooper in A Rebel Born:

View attachment 491026

And then Longstreet in Hampton's Legion:

View attachment 491027

What?

Have any of you seen these? I have not.

I would rather see a cartoon character drawn by you do the part of Hood than this weird actor!

 

[TallTallMan]

I would rather see a cartoon character drawn by you do the part of Hood than this weird actor!

Yeah, forgot you know what I draw like!

 

[TallTallMan]

Hood... The war really aged him. But it fed him well.

I can't tell if he was funnier as Longstreet or as Hood.