After the flag

[CMWinkler]

Thi seems a common refrain -- that the flag is misused or hijacked. But why is it misuse?

Because it is a symbol of resistance to overreaching, particularly federal, authority.

 

[NedBaldwin]

Because it is a symbol of resistance to overreaching, particularly federal, authority.

Such is your political use of the flag. But why is that not the misuse? It seems false to me.

 

[CMWinkler]

Such is your political use of the flag.

My political use? What am I doing politically with the flag?

But why is that not the misuse?

He asks again, how am I misusing the flag?

It seems false to me.

In what way?

 

[NedBaldwin]

My political use? What am I doing politically with the flag?

You said the flag "is a symbol of resistance to overreaching, particularly federal, authority." This is a political use (or misuse) of the flag.

 

[CMWinkler]

You said the flag "is a symbol of resistance to overreaching, particularly federal, authority." This is a political use (or misuse) of the flag.

That's the way it's viewed. It didn't say I viewed it that way or used it that way, I simply answered your question.

 

[NedBaldwin]

That's the way it's viewed. It didn't say I viewed it that way or used it that way, I simply answered your question.

Viewed by whom? Definitey not by me. In fact I find the idea laughable.
You seems to think it viewed that way, so depite your wiggling, it seems to me that is your political use of the flag.

 

[CMWinkler]

Viewed by whom? Definitey not by me. In fact I find the idea laughable.

We were discussing it in the context of the Dixiecrats of the late 40's. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I suggest you study the Dixiecrats, you might find the proposition less humorous.

You seems to think it viewed that way, so depite your wiggling, it seems to me that is your political use of the flag.

You try to put words in my mouth when I am quite capable of saying exactly what I mean. Please show me an example of my political use of the CBF.

 

[CSA Today]

'fine' is such a soft, ambivalent term. And 'all' is overly broad.
I would be happy if some things were removed/changed.
I dont care about some other things
and there are some that I see a value in so i wouldnt support changing.

The Republican dominated South Carolina state legislature has resisted calls, so far, for the removal of the African American History Monument on the capitol grounds. But if the daily haranguing against all things Confederate continue and if calls to remove all Confederate statuary become too demanding it would be increasingly difficult for them to ignore the concerns of their political base that there just might be far more at stake than taking down a flag at a soldier's monument.

 

[unionblue]

It was time for the excuse of heritage to face up to the fact the flag represents other things, things that put it in a negative light, and that it was surrendered to such without hardly a struggle from those who claim heritage.

Heritage advocates need to admit such and should prepare to compromise, not demand.

Unionblue

 

[NedBaldwin]

Please show me an example of my political use of the CBF.

You declared that the flag is "a symbol of resistance to overreaching, particularly federal, authority" -- this is a political use of the flag.

 

[CMWinkler]

It was time for the excuse of heritage to face up to the fact the flag represents other things, things that put it in a negative light, and that it was surrendered to such without hardly a struggle from those who claim heritage.

Heritage advocates need to admit such and should prepare to compromise, not demand.

Unionblue

With all due respect, Union, I wasn't even born then. I am not bound by their lapse. By the way, I've not noticed much effort to wrest the Stars and Stripes from the Klan or Or such. I 60 years could we say the same about it?

 

[CMWinkler]

You declared that the flag is "a symbol of resistance to overreaching, particularly federal, authority" -- this is a political use of the flag.

And the Dixiecrats, upon that basis used it as such, wrongfully, in my view.

 

[NedBaldwin]

And the Dixiecrats, upon that basis used it as such, wrongfully, in my view.

And we are back to post #40 where I asked "why is it misue" or why was it wrongfully so?

 

[unionblue]

With all due respect, Union, I wasn't even born then. I am not bound by their lapse. By the way, I've not noticed much effort to wrest the Stars and Stripes from the Klan or Or such. I 60 years could we say the same about it?

CMWinkler,

It does not matter when you or I was born.

We both can read and we both can see and we can both form our own speech and actions based on research and sober thought. We are both responsible people and we have responsibilities to our time and place. The flag and our issues with it is one of our responsibilities. This is because of its continuation of abuse by others before and during our time. We're stuck with it and we have to clean up the mess of our grandfathers have left us.

As for the U.S. flag, I think we both know what it stands for and every time the Klan or such use it, they defeat themselves showing it.

MY flag is more than a symbol of oppression and hate. The CBF cannot make that same statement, in my own view.

Sincerely,
Unionblue

 

[CMWinkler]

And we are back to post #40 where I asked "why is it misue" or why was it wrongfully so?

Because it's use ought to only be used to honor Confederate soldiers, you know, like at say, a monument to Confederate dead at a State House, Or for other commemorative purposes? Use for partisan politics dishonors the flag. Use by racists to attempt to intimidate anyone is misuse. I fly my flags at home in honor of Confederate soldiers. My 11 star First National flys beneath a 34 star US flag. I have an ANV battle flag flying next to a Hood's Brigade Texas flag. Elsewhere I put them on graves and fly them at cemeteries.

 

[CMWinkler]

CMWinkler,

It does not matter when you or I was born.

We both can read and we both can see and we can both form our own speech and actions based on research and sober thought. We are both responsible people and we have responsibilities to our time and place. The flag and our issues with it is one of our responsibilities. This is because of its continuation of abuse by others before and during our time. We're stuck with it and we have to clean up the mess of our grandfathers have left us.

As for the U.S. flag, I think we both know what it stands for and every time the Klan or such use it, they defeat themselves showing it.

MY flag is more than a symbol of oppression and hate. The CBF cannot make that same statement, in my own view.

Sincerely,
Unionblue

And I, respectfully, disagree. While we may have to deal with the mess we are left, we certainly are neither defined by it nor bound by it, in my view, of course.

 

[MRB1863]

With the Confederate battle flag being removed across the country from official flagpoles, store shelves and nearly every place in between, other symbols of the Confederacy are now under scrutiny, among them Generals Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, P.G.T. Beauregard

More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ns-to-lee-stuart-beauregard-and-d-w-griffith/

Don't these people have anything of value to do? As a for instance...studying history? This country is far from perfect, and the struggle to make it what it is today was far from perfect. We need to accept this as a United Nation instead of polarizing in an effort to see "who wins this one". I think we as a younger country have proven that "A Nation divided does not stand..."

 

[K Hale]

And I, respectfully, disagree. While we may have to deal with the mess we are left, we certainly are neither defined by it nor bound by it, in my view, of course.

This sounds like you'd prefer to be defined and bound only by the parts of your heritage that you like, and not by the rest. The heritage thing cuts both ways.

 

[unionblue]

And I, respectfully, disagree. While we may have to deal with the mess we are left, we certainly are neither defined by it nor bound by it, in my view, of course.

CMWinkler,

And I tend to look at my grandchildren, so young and so full of hope, and worry about the nation and world WE are leaving them with.

Sincerely,
Unionblue

 

[MRB1863]

CMWinkler,

And I tend to look at my grandchildren, so young and so full of hope, and worry about the nation and world WE are leaving them with.

Sincerely,
Unionblue

Sorry I can't in good conscience put a "like" on your post. I agree with you wholeheartedly but can't bring myself to like where all this is going...