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Hi all,
I have a few relics that I have obtained over the years and enjoy having them. It give me a real connection to the past and greater appreciation of the history I read. I am about to turn the corner and begin to consider adding to them and start a "collection".

My questions to you are how did you get started with your collection, and what are some things to consider when investing in purchases? What are your best sources for items? Private sellers, shows, dealers, ebay (ebay scares me!)? I am always concerned about authenticity, how do you address that?

I would love to hear all your stories and advice. Would love to hear what you are collecting and why. PM me if you'd prefer.

Thanks
 
Mine started with the desire to own one Civil War artillery shell and it kind of took on a mind of its own after that.
Decide what you wish to collect and go from there, buy from reputable people who stand behind their sales, know what you can spend, keep good records and don't think that you are ever going to get rich with your collection. Do it for your own personal enjoyment and research is the key to any purchase. Good luck and happy collecting.
 
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Hi all,
I have a few relics that I have obtained over the years and enjoy having them. It give me a real connection to the past and greater appreciation of the history I read. I am about to turn the corner and begin to consider adding to them and start a "collection".

My questions to you are how did you get started with your collection, and what are some things to consider when investing in purchases? What are your best sources for items? Private sellers, shows, dealers, ebay (ebay scares me!)? I am always concerned about authenticity, how do you address that?

I would love to hear all your stories and advice. Would love to hear what you are collecting and why. PM me if you'd prefer.

Thanks

It depends on the item but I would probably avoid Ebay. My interest is in signatures and so I only buy from reputable dealers or auction houses that have good references and are acknowledged widely as being trustworthy. I also look for certificates of authenticity and sometimes ask other independent experts for their opinion. Signatures are expensive, and there are forgeries lurking about, so I put a lot of research and extra care into any purchase. I only own three, so not much of a collection, but it's great to have a first hand connection to those civil war figures.
 
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking on adding an artillery shell or cannon ball to begin a collection. I see that even these can be "faked". Milling balls being sold as solid shot cannon balls. Any words of wisdom regarding shells?
 
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking on adding an artillery shell or cannon ball to begin a collection. I see that even these can be "faked". Milling balls being sold as solid shot cannon balls. Any words of wisdom regarding shells?
Do your research and deal with reputable people. One of the larger dealers on line is www.bulletandshell.com and a good place to do research is www.civilwarartillery.com .
 
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I agree, deal with a merchant that will offer an unconditional guarantee that the item is real, there are many honest ACW dealers who will do this. There are just as many online cheats out there especially on eBay. My best advice, if you buy online is #1 don't, but if you do educate yourself with periodicals written by experts and ask for an inspection period of the item in question.

I collect ACW and my research library has saved me untold $$$, embarrassment and regret.
 
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When I moved from Texas, where there are few Civil War Relics, to Virginia I went a little crazy, sort of like a kid in a candy shop. My 2 cents is find what you are really interested in and then spend time studying that field. A $50 book can pay for itself quickly. If you live where there are artifacts haunt country auctions and even yard sales. I once got a very beat up Smith Carbine for $70 at a country auction. I will buy on Ebay but I will never pay more than a reproduction price. Accept you will over pay some time but consider that education expense. I have also seen dealers pass on what they thought was original but be wrong. In my case, I decide if I want it in my collection and can afford it. I don't worry about resale, that can be my kids problem after I'm gone. Most important, remember you are in it for your own pleasure, so enjoy.
 
Some basic rules which apply to any area of collecting:

-Knowledge is power. Learn and study that which you collect.

-Specialize in one particular area of collecting and always buy quality. Better to buy one item for $100 than ten items for $100.

-You can tell a lot about a collector by looking at his reference library.

-Not all reference books are good/worth having.

-Go to museums, historical societies and shows to further educate yourself. Get to know the more advanced collectors and learn from them. Networking is an important part of collecting. Getting to know museum curators and historians can also be beneficial.

-Find out who the reputable dealers are. You can make successful acquisitions from dealers, collectors, auctions and other places.

-A special word about eBay. It is a minefield. With that said, great original items can be found there. This is where knowledge and experience comes into play.
 
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Hi all,
I have a few relics that I have obtained over the years and enjoy having them. It give me a real connection to the past and greater appreciation of the history I read. I am about to turn the corner and begin to consider adding to them and start a "collection".

My questions to you are how did you get started with your collection, and what are some things to consider when investing in purchases? What are your best sources for items? Private sellers, shows, dealers, ebay (ebay scares me!)? I am always concerned about authenticity, how do you address that?

I would love to hear all your stories and advice. Would love to hear what you are collecting and why. PM me if you'd prefer.

Thanks
First of all, welcome to the addiction. Once collecting gets into your blood, IT WILL NOT GO AWAY. TRUST ME.
Now, that being said, let me reply to your post, which has multiple questions.
First, you ask how we got started in collecting. I started in 1998. I had joined a CW re-enacting group based here in the Indianapolis area that year, and I was asked to help set up a recruiting booth at the State Fairgrounds for the annual fall Civil War Relics Show (now defunct). I was puzzled and asked, "What is a CW relics show?" I was stunned when it was explained to me that actual artifacts were privately owned and if you had some serious cash, you could buy your very own stuff. I was 29 years old at the time and I had never known this before. I thought all CW artifacts were in museums or locked up in vaults by the government (which is not far off). So that fall I experienced my very first CW show. I was immediately hooked. I bought my first relic there, an early pickup Antietam Battlefield Union foot officer's sword. And it just got worse from there.
Now I want to share some advice. The first thing you need to do before you buy ANYTHING is to educate yourself, as others here already mentioned. Research books, magazines, developing personal relationships with fellow collectors and professional dealers. My best tip to you is, before you even buy research material, take some time to sit down, and give serious consideration to: 1. What type of artifacts you want, and 2. What you can afford. Once you figure out what you can afford, then begin to educate yourself. Along with this, I also suggest that your collection have a "theme". What do you want? Buttons? Bullets? Weapons? Accoutrements? Uniforms? Artillery? Infantry? Cavalry? Navy? Union? Confederate? The list goes on and on. Formulate a theme for your collection and stick to it. Don't make the mistake that I and many others have made over the years. I wanted "everything". I bought weapons, accouterments, canteens, cartridge boxes, all kinds of stuff. And then after 10 years of collecting, I looked around and realized my collection had no rhyme nor reason. So I sold most of it and basically started over. I developed an intense interest of the Union Navy's role in the CW, and I also love Indiana identified artifacts, so now I only collect items related to those two categories.
As far as investing in artifacts, remember that you are not doing this as a financial investment, you do it because you love it. That being said, you should never pay more for something than what it is worth. Don't buy on impulse, sit back and think about it first. (Even though many of us don't..lol). The only time I do that anymore is if I came across a rare artifact that I have been looking for, and knowing it might be years (or never) until I find another one.
Authenticity. Since you are new to the game, my advice is DO NOT BUY FROM EBAY. Only after you gain experience and knowledge can you somewhat safely traverse that field. I tend not to buy on ebay, unless I find something I want and know the difference if it is the real deal or not.
If you want to be safe, and treated fairly, the best thing to do is go to CW artifact shows. If you live in Virginia, there surely must be reputable dealers out there. The two largest annual shows and my favorites are: The Ohio CW Relics Show in Mansfield, OH, and the Middle Tennessee CW Show in Franklin, TN. Those are safe venues for acquiring authentic, fine CW artifacts.
I tend to do most of my business with 4 principle CW artifact dealers: Dave Taylor in Toledo, OH, John Spicer of Champion Hills Relics in Mississippi, Larry Hicklin of Yesteryear Artifacts in Murfreesboro, TN, and Rafael Eldridge of Shiloh Relics, also TN. These are well known, long time established dealers that know their stuff, and guarantee their artifacts. I sincerely hopes this helps.
 
If you want to be safe, and treated fairly, the best thing to do is go to CW artifact shows. If you live in Virginia, there surely must be reputable dealers out there. The two largest annual shows and my favorites are: The Ohio CW Relics Show in Mansfield, OH, and the Middle Tennessee CW Show in Franklin, TN. Those are safe venues for acquiring authentic, fine CW artifacts.
This used to be good advice, but even at the shows there are many disreputable individuals who just want to turn a buck or do not have the knowledge of what they are selling. I have seen several reproductions just this year sitting on dealer tables purporting to be authentic, others are misrepresented as being ACW, but have been altered from Indian war.

My advice, is to find a trusted dealer, those mentioned above are A++++ and I would add a few more, Will Gorges of Battleground Antiques, Cliff Sophia, CSArms, Wes Small, The Horse Soldier and Tim Prince, College Hill Arsenal. Once you become a customer of some of these individuals you may then ask them at the various shows, their opinion of a particular piece. They will not typically volunteer information unless they are familiar with you, the hobby can get nasty when one dealer trashes another dealer's wares.

Also find a collector who collects within your interest and learn, learn learn, be polite and unassuming, become a sponge. This is a wonderful hobby, but it takes time to get to know the people who may be able to help you the most. I have been very lucky to have met some of the most knowledgeable people, but also some of the best and generous people within this hobby. Amassing a quality collection takes time, patience, research and above all modesty, never denigrate another's good fortune in a find. Conversely never be "in your face" about your own good fortune. You will see that there are many many great individuals in the ACW collecting realm.

Good luck
 
Great example of a current eBay fake, Dave Taylor, once told me never to buy a buckle on ebay unless you are paying what a repro would cost you. Once you have enough knowledge then you can do so, but only with an inspection period.
 

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Don't laugh, but I picked up a habit my mother had. I collect rocks from different states or parks I've been to.
I once met a gentleman who had collected sand from every beach that he had attacked as a Marine in WWII, so no I do not find your collecting tastes strange.
 
I once met a gentleman who had collected sand from every beach that he had attacked as a Marine in WWII, so no I do not find your collecting tastes strange.

There was a scene in "Saving Private Ryan" that one of the guys was collecting sand from Normandy and when he opened his bag you could see that he had tins marked with various beaches in Italy that he had invaded.
 

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