Why did they fight?

By whom and by what force? I'm reminded of the most destructive riots in American history, the 1863 draft riots in New York City. Those guys were not on board with Lincoln. Why not?

Why, by themselves, Drew.

They may have listened to their neighbors who had read newspapers or listened to political speeches, or listened to their preachers from the pulpit.

But in the end, they had to convince themselves, to decide for themselves, didn't they?
 
Ask a Gulf War veteran why he went to Iraq. When he is done telling you he did it because his country asked him to go - ask him why the common Southener went to war against the North.

Interesting enough - to some of them - it wasn't because their "new" country asked them, it wasn't to defend their new country, it was to defend slavery.

IMO - slavery was the root cause of the Civil War, but soldiers of the past, like today, went to war for their country and because they were asked.

Welcome to cwt!

I think you are on to something essential here -- "he did because his country asked him to."

I'm old enough to remember the Vietnam War, and especially the argument over the Draft. Why did 18 year old boys in the US got to Vietnam where they might get killed? Well, it wasn't because they had a deep understanding of the political conflict in Southeast Asia or the broad meaning of the Cold War. It was because their country asked them to (with the back-up threat of coercion if they didn't volunteer -- remember the Vietnam War and both North and South during the Civil War had conscription).

And when we say "country" in this context we use the term in the broad sense. I lived in a very Republican area as a kid, so boys didn't go into the service because they loved and admired LBJ. In many cases, their fathers had entered the service in the 1940s, so there was a communal sense that it was the "turn" of new generation to defend the country. The local community, broadly speaking, supported the war and encouraged their kids to join up.

So I think the social pressure had a lot to do with it.

Also -- Look at Major Bill's comment above. For many, there is a simple assumption that if the country is at war, they will serve. Not too many questions asked.
 
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Hi, I am a newbie and need some info to counter the nay sayers. I believe the Civil War from the Southern political stand point was to preserve slavery and states rights. The hundreds of thousand Southern soldiers that fought for the South were to poor to have slaves or didn't want them so why did they fight for the South? I do have ideas but want to be sure before I spout off. Thanks
Welcome, @frogbert . Glad to have you with us. I believe the initial reason they fought was different for each and every man. However, after a fairly short time, they all, on both sides, were fighting for the same reason soldiers have fought for centuries. They fought for their buddies. I call it "the band of brothers" syndrome.
 
By whom and by what force? I'm reminded of the most destructive riots in American history, the 1863 draft riots in New York City. Those guys were not on board with Lincoln. Why not?

Strictly in the context of NYC in 1863, rioters were not on board with Lincoln's demand for a bloody prolonged war to end slavery. That's why they targeted blacks and abolitionists - they were seen as the cause of war.

Little-known fact is the Draft Riots were successful in getting New York State authorities to dial down the forced enlistments of City residents.
 
Strictly in the context of NYC in 1863, rioters were not on board with Lincoln's demand for a bloody prolonged war to end slavery. That's why they targeted blacks and abolitionists - they were seen as the cause of war.

Little-known fact is the Draft Riots were successful in getting New York State authorities to dial down the forced enlistments of City residents.
Really? I did not know that. Thanks for that little gem, Bruce.
 
Hi, I am a newbie and need some info to counter the nay sayers. I believe the Civil War from the Southern political stand point was to preserve slavery and states rights. The hundreds of thousand Southern soldiers that fought for the South were to poor to have slaves or didn't want them so why did they fight for the South? I do have ideas but want to be sure before I spout off. Thanks



One has to determine why there was a Civil War, before one can determine why there were southern armies, to fight in, at all.
 
Really? I did not know that. Thanks for that little gem, Bruce.

FYI - very good book The Devil's Own Work: The Civil War Draft Riots and the Fight to Reconstruct America by Barnet Schecter, Waller & Co, 2005.

The NY City Council appropriated a $3 million fund to be used by draftees to buy their way out of forced enlistment. Meanwhile, NY Gov. Seymour convinced Lincoln to reduce the draft quotas, especially in the poor Irish districts of the City.

And unofficial pardon was given the rioters. About 500 rioters had been arrested during the violence, but about half were released without charge. Ultimately, only 67 rioters were convicted, and most received light 'slap on the wrist' sentences.
 
FYI - very good book The Devil's Own Work: The Civil War Draft Riots and the Fight to Reconstruct America by Barnet Schecter, Waller & Co, 2005.

The NY City Council appropriated a $3 million fund to be used by draftees to buy their way out of forced enlistment. Meanwhile, NY Gov. Seymour convinced Lincoln to reduce the draft quotas, especially in the poor Irish districts of the City.

And unofficial pardon was given the rioters. About 500 rioters had been arrested during the violence, but about half were released without charge. Ultimately, only 67 rioters were convicted, and most received light 'slap on the wrist' sentences.
Thanks. I know next to nothing about the riots in NYC.
 
Howdy.

People who point out that many Southern soldiers did not own slaves are doing so not to make a historical point but to support the argument that the Civil War was not fought over slavery. You will never win an argument with them about that because what they are saying is true, but their conclusion is false.

The best response in my opinion is to say "True, but why is that important?". Then they must expose their real motive in making the argument and you can easily argue with that.

The real reasons that individual white Southerners fought is too complex for a hallway conversation. It is a rich tapestry made up the cumulative stories of all the Southern people at a particular place and time. It reaches across the South into every city, town, farm and plantation, and touches on all of the individual lives of the people who lived, worked, loved and lost in a (to us) crazy world that went crazy around them. You cannot paint them all with the same brush.

Although it is clear that Southern States seceded to retain the "State's Right" to protect and expand the practice of human chattel slavery, the reasons that individual Southerners fought include all of the reasons that folks fight in any war along with reasons unique to the times.

Historically wars are quite common - for some reason societies have no problem getting people to fill out their armies. Soldiers end up in the army for all sorts of reasons. And once in the army, people fight for reasons far different from the ones that brought them there.

From my reading, the desire for secession was not universal among the people, especially initially. There were distinct waves of enlistment in 1861 and 1862. There are all sorts of reasons to enlist, and many were related to the perceived threat to slavery - fear of "bottom log on top" - racial fears of mixing of the races - fear of economic ruin - general acceptance of the concept of **** - and these feelings were by no means restricted to slave owners. But these were just some of the reasons that people ended up in the army.

As events progressed and it was clear that the Southern states were going to be invaded by Northern armies, many people did what people have always done when their society is threatened and joined up to defend it. When threatened, right or wrong becomes less clear, and even less important. Shelby Foote said Southerners fought because the Northerners where "down here" and I'm sure that was true and enough for may Southerners.

It is also important to note when discussing reasons Southerns fought, that a great many Southerners did not fight, or even fought for the North.
 
Some were fighting to protect their financial interest in slavery, some to protect their social interest in it. Some fought because they were duped into protecting the financial interests of slave owning elites. Some were drafted and fought because they were forced to.
 
How many books are for sale that are all about why World War Two soldiers fought or why World War One soldiers fought? Now compare the number of these book to the number of books about why Civil War soldiers fought.it does make one wonder.
 
Howdy.

People who point out that many Southern soldiers did not own slaves are doing so not to make a historical point but to support the argument that the Civil War was not fought over slavery. You will never win an argument with them about that because what they are saying is true, but their conclusion is false.

The best response in my opinion is to say "True, but why is that important?". Then they must expose their real motive in making the argument and you can easily argue with that.

The real reasons that individual white Southerners fought is too complex for a hallway conversation. It is a rich tapestry made up the cumulative stories of all the Southern people at a particular place and time. It reaches across the South into every city, town, farm and plantation, and touches on all of the individual lives of the people who lived, worked, loved and lost in a (to us) crazy world that went crazy around them. You cannot paint them all with the same brush.

Although it is clear that Southern States seceded to retain the "State's Right" to protect and expand the practice of human chattel slavery, the reasons that individual Southerners fought include all of the reasons that folks fight in any war along with reasons unique to the times.

Historically wars are quite common - for some reason societies have no problem getting people to fill out their armies. Soldiers end up in the army for all sorts of reasons. And once in the army, people fight for reasons far different from the ones that brought them there.

From my reading, the desire for secession was not universal among the people, especially initially. There were distinct waves of enlistment in 1861 and 1862. There are all sorts of reasons to enlist, and many were related to the perceived threat to slavery - fear of "bottom log on top" - racial fears of mixing of the races - fear of economic ruin - general acceptance of the concept of **** - and these feelings were by no means restricted to slave owners. But these were just some of the reasons that people ended up in the army.

As events progressed and it was clear that the Southern states were going to be invaded by Northern armies, many people did what people have always done when their society is threatened and joined up to defend it. When threatened, right or wrong becomes less clear, and even less important. Shelby Foote said Southerners fought because the Northerners where "down here" and I'm sure that was true and enough for may Southerners.

It is also important to note when discussing reasons Southerns fought, that a great many Southerners did not fight, or even fought for the North.
Very well stated. Even if they did not own slaves then many still feared slave uprisings or integration. A lot of the early recruits were members of local militia companies raised before the war in part for that reason and protection of their community; they certainly knew that was one reason they were going to war. A lot of people are afraid to admit that because they see it as a blemish on their (the soldiers') record. I don't see it as such, nor in any other way. That's the society and situation they were born into. Certainly not the only reason they went to war and fought by any means, but still a crucial point in understanding some of their motives.
 
"They" went for any number of reasons, some as a show of patriotism, some because all their friends were going, some to simply "get out of Dodge" and leave the routine of their lives, to be part of the "group", because their families and communities expected it, they go for all the reasons soldiers always volunteer or are drafted to do. To try and find one common thread or primary motivation is not liable to be found.
 
"They" went for any number of reasons, some as a show of patriotism, some because all their friends were going, some to simply "get out of Dodge" and leave the routine of their lives, to be part of the "group", because their families and communities expected it, they go for all the reasons soldiers always volunteer or are drafted to do. To try and find one common thread or primary motivation is not liable to be found.

Slavery is the one common thread that could not be avoided or denied, even then.
 
When I was a child my father told me he joined the Navy at the start of World War Two becaue he was bored with his job in Detriot and after being stationed in back in Detroit he volunteered to be part of the invasion of the Philippines because he was bored, I grew up believing the United States fought the Japanese becaue young Americans were bored. I was 12 before I found out we fought the Japanese over Aisian trade issues.
 
Amongst the many speculations and diversities of opinions about the
facts relating to the war, there remians one fact little thought of and not
often discussed by the young men of the present day, never having faced
the trying ordeal, of a powerful enemy invading their country.
Take the condition that confronted us in our day. What was the de-
cision we had to make and how would we make it in the line of manhood
except just as we did ; how could we avoid taking up arms? Leland Kennedy Jackson,Private, 7th Tenn Cav. CSA.
 
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