What does the SCV stand for

Your unnecessary sarcasm promotes disharmony upon this board.

Disharmony is created whenever we see these bogus ideas that the Confederacy was the torch bearer of liberty and freedom.

NBForrest said it best:

"The SCV's goal of educating the public that the South was politically right is self-defeating...it only makes the SCV enemies."
 
Is this your idea of "macho" talk, with terms such as "puking icon"? Frankly, that is not only repulsive, but you are deliberately trying to have an argument, rather than a debate. I suggest you look up the terms.

And for the rest of you who have joined in this "Boys' Locker Room" talk, if you think you are going to run any real women off this board with this 7th grade banter, I suggest you try a new tactic.

The attacks made here on the SCV show nothing but hatred for something you cannot understand, a loyalty to one's ancestors who fought and died for what they believed in.

You have the right to honor your dead, we should have the same right, although looking at the numbers, apparently we honor ours a bit more than you do yours.

Good evening, Mr. Porter.
 
Thea,
Well said. It's too bad that the ignorance that pervades the thoughts of far too many people, rears it's ugly head here upon this board. The mere thought of the Southern soldier fighting for anything other than slavery, is totally foreign to much too many, and something that they cannot seem to comprehend.

But, let them rave, for they know not what they rave about.

Respectfully,
SgtCSA
 
Thea, sgtcsa, Admiral Porter,

If the SCV was only about preserving the memory of the Confederate soldier, I doubt if there would be many protests or debates on the subject. Many of the projects the SCV engages in, recognizing and restoring memorials and monuments and caretaking of Confederate graves is a worthy project.

Even the idea that the Confederate soldier fought for other things other than slavery, is not in itself an unworthy act. There are countless stories of bravery in defense of one's land, home and family that must and should be told.

It is the attempt to rewrite sections of history to satisfy a modern agenda that I protest and am always wary of. It seems to me that there are some in the SCV who go far beyond honoring their ancestors and do their dead-level best to erase large portions of history. They detract in their stated goals of preserving the memory and history of the Confederate soldier and do great damage to the cause they say they cherish.

It seems to me that some in the SCV want to flee back to the past and stay there and not admit to the changes that have happened over the last 150 years, for good or for ill. The greatest wrong is to erase history, to deny that it happened or that the reason an event took place, even to consider it as merely a part of that event, is unreasonable at best, destructive at worst.

You seem to claim there is an extreme view being presented when some at this board, myself included, claim that slavery was a major factor in bringing on the Civil War. In my opinion, the other extreme view is to deny that slavery had nothing to do with the war. Ignoring history or refusing to consider historical events, does not increase the memory of those who fought for the South. It diminishes their history and their memory, as those who advocate their cause in this century have something to hide. It increases resistance because it appears those very same advocates are advocating a return to the past because they see nothing wrong with it.

And thus, in another opinion of my own, is the real reason for the Civil War. One section advancing into an unkown future while another section tried desperately to cling to the familiar past. In a few more generations, the past will be in the past and those trying to forget it or transform it into something it was not, will be forgotten right along with it.

This will be the real shame and heartbreak of those trying to honor their ancestors. The fight will be remembered but the brave men of that time will be obscured and forgotten over the present-day tactics used to press a modern-day political agenda.

Unionblue
 
sgtcsa said:
Thea,
Well said. It's too bad that the ignorance that pervades the thoughts of far too many people, rears it's ugly head here upon this board. The mere thought of the Southern soldier fighting for anything other than slavery, is totally foreign to much too many, and something that they cannot seem to comprehend.

But, let them rave, for they know not what they rave about.

Respectfully,
SgtCSA

SgtCSA,

Hope you don't consider me a 'raver'! :confused:

I certainly don't believe that the ordinary Southern soldier fought only for slavery. I believe (and I may be mistaken) that most of them were not even slaveholders.

I think most fought for 'home and hearth' more than any thing else as they felt threatened.

However, I must say that I also believe that they were taken advantage of, so to speak, by the powerful slave-holding oligarchy and politicians who controlled the government and pulled the strings.

It truly was a 'rich man's war, poor man's fight' for both the North and the South.
 
SCV Membership

If I discovered I had a Confederate ancestor, I'd be just as proud to join the SCV as I am to be a life member of the SUVCW. I honestly believe that the majority of men in both armies served with courage, faith and sincere (and unselfish) belief in their own cause. The majority of the veterans themselves recognized this fact in their post-war reconciliations.
 
Thank you Ami.

Now, back to my question. I know the UDC does some publishing, but has the SCV? If so, what have they published?

I'm not anti-SCV but only interested in finding more sources from which I could draw my research. I'm a professional student (and still dumb).
 
I'm not aware of any SCV publishing as such though they certainly promote and assist such activity. Hundreds of SCV members are authors and publishers. The concensus of information I've gleaned from the SCV is that there is a genuine desire for the truth to blanket history and a general feeling that if there are warps in history they are not coming from the SCV. To the student I suggest a subscription to the Confederate Veteran or obtaining copies from a library. We can always use and welcome another member as can the SUV. A little research and $35 bucks a year.
 
unionblue said:
If the SCV was only about preserving the memory of the Confederate soldier, I doubt if there would be many protests or debates on the subject. Many of the projects the SCV engages in, recognizing and restoring memorials and monuments and caretaking of Confederate graves is a worthy project......

....This will be the real shame and heartbreak of those trying to honor their ancestors. The fight will be remembered but the brave men of that time will be obscured and forgotten over the present-day tactics used to press a modern-day political agenda.

Unionblue

How true. I can only speak for myself and not for everyone in the SCV. It does not matter want group you belong or what you walk in life may be. There is allways someone who is full of "it". They have thier own agenda and are afraid of the truth. You must be willing to accept it for what it is. When involved in a group such as the SCV or SUV, you have the responsibility to tell both sides and the truth. How can you honor you ancestors by lying?
 
SUV = Sons of Union Veterans
SCV = Sons of Confederate Veterans
SOB = Sons of both
SON = Sons of nobody (or are we only a bunch o' b_stards?). That's where I fit in. No ancestors on either side fought for anyone. Too much immigrant blood in this native born citizen. I belong to too many organizations including the MoC, VA Hist. Soc., Company of Military Hysterians, INRO, etc.

BTW, Buffalo_Guard is right in that every organization has its extremists. I'm interested in published works from both sides and the UDC in SC & GA have done a tremendous service to the Sybil Wa-oh community. Thank you ladies.
 
As someone who can now be qualified to memberships in the SCV and the SUV, I would say that we need to honor those ancestors and not tarnish their honor with a rehashing of the cause of the war. Besides, that is being discussed on another thread.

As I have said in the past, the issue was settled in April 1865.
 
I can only speak about the members of my camp, but the great majority of my camp is there to honor ancestors; politics are not part of the reason they joined. Like a lot of things, I'm afraid that the loud-mouthed radicals will tarnish the image of the whole SCV body.

The SCV is starting to have an identity crisis...I hope things turn out the right way.

Respectfully
 
The location has a lot to do with it. My camp tends the local Confederate Cemeteries, works at identifing unnamed graves. We have little time to complain during warm weather months. We attempt to pass on local history to anyone willing to learn. In the winter months, the trend turns toward things political. We have a mission, a reason to exist, beyond meeting and asking the 'forty questions' of WBTS trivia. I suspect that things would be quite different were we in a location isolated from historical fact.
 

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