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[damYankee]

Agree re the Fundies. The whole Mountain Meadows/John Lee matter was a consequence of the extreme paranoia (somewhat understandable) and isolation mentality that resulted from what happened in Nauvoo and Young's response. The paranoia went off the rails in 1857 and then got wrapped up in the coverup until the Church began focusing on the possibility of statehood for "Deseret". At that point Lee became "expendable" in exchange for a larger return.

It lives on....

Look up Short Creek, Short Creek Raid and the United Effort Plan;

Utah quietly withdraws from FLDS UEP Trust fund

Utah has quietly withdrawn from the $110 million United Effort Plan trust of the Fundamentalist LDS Church.

www.deseret.com

The Journey Out: Women Who Escaped a Polygamist Mormon Cult Share Their Story

Although its leader Warren Jeffs is spending life in jail for raping his child brides, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) remains under his increasingly harsh control. Those who escape are ostracized by their family.

www.vice.com

 

[damYankee]

The groups we are talking about are operating in plain sight, in Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Washington, Arizona and in Canada and Mexico and in the Philippines. Probably in So. America as well.
They are very secretive and very organized. They shun government IDs, doctors etc, to the point where some followers don't report births or deaths, refuse all vaccines and do not attend any public schools.
Members are not allowed to have televisions, radios or internet access. They prefer small rural towns and usually attempt to insert ranking members in local law enforcement, mayors offices, and are excel at welfare fraud, they call it "bleeding the devil."

 

[rebelatsea]

Odd since they usually do not drink things with caffeine themselves. As a youngster we had neighbors of that faith and they were very nice and very helpful yet never pushed their views on others.

I never knew mormons didn't drink coffee, this pair certainly did ! They too didn't attempt to push their views or convert, we had a very interesting conversation about their faith and religions in general. It helped that they were very enthusiastic about rail travel and trains in general.

 

[Belfoured]

The groups we are talking about are operating in plain sight, in Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Washington, Arizona and in Canada and Mexico and in the Philippines. Probably in So. America as well.
They are very secretive and very organized. They shun government IDs, doctors etc, to the point where some followers don't report births or deaths, refuse all vaccines and do not attend any public schools.
Members are not allowed to have televisions, radios or internet access. They prefer small rural towns and usually attempt to insert ranking members in local law enforcement, mayors offices, and are excel at welfare fraud, they call it "bleeding the devil."

To be honest, I'm unaware of any operating in plain sight in WY. The two Stakes I'm familiar with are Teton County (Jackson) and Star County (Afton). I've seen nothing close to this from members of those Stakes and the members I've encountered see the FLDS crowd as unhinged, to put it mildly. I also know that Stakes elsewhere in WY have participated in community clean up projects and supporting minority groups during the Pandemic. IMHO, it's important not to inadvertently tar decent people with the likes of degenerates such as Warren Jeffs and his followers.

 

[Library Lady]

I really enjoy Steve Berry's Cotton Malone series of thrillers with an historical twist. This one seems appropriate to where this thread is currently at.

The Lincoln Myth | Steve Berry

steveberry.org

 

[TallTallMan]

I really enjoy Steve Berry's Cotton Malone series of thrillers with an historical twist. This one seems appropriate to where this thread is currently at.

The Lincoln Myth | Steve Berry

steveberry.org

Yes, please. This got way off course.

 

[archieclement]

On historical Mormons who were in my area, I've always thought they were somewhat comparable to Northern aid societies in Kansas.

Both encouraged or welcomed the poor....for religious gain in case Mormons, for political gain in case of Kansas.

Once they got them there.....it seems they turn to crime to provide for them from neighbors. Because just as with "jayhawkers and jayhawking" the Mormans formed "Danites" who were often accused of thieving as well.

 

[damYankee]

To be honest, I'm unaware of any operating in plain sight in WY. The two Stakes I'm familiar with are Teton County (Jackson) and Star County (Afton). I've seen nothing close to this from members of those Stakes and the members I've encountered see the FLDS crowd as unhinged, to put it mildly. I also know that Stakes elsewhere in WY have participated in community clean up projects and supporting minority groups during the Pandemic. IMHO, it's important not to inadvertently tar decent people with the likes of degenerates such as Warren Jeffs and his followers.

I agree, I didn't intend to take this off topic, so I will leave it alone, with but a few corrections, I never said these groups are solely FLDS or by any means related to the LDS church. My point is that after the 1953 raid on Colorado City the group fractured and spread out, even before that event, going back to the late 1800s there has been people who self identify as "prophets" who have no connection to either the LDS other than being expelled from the LDS and not FLDS.
Ever hear of the Vallow–Daybell murder case? Want to read some strange books?
Look up Chad Daybell

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cdaybell.com

 

[Belfoured]

I agree, I didn't intend to take this off topic, so I will leave it alone, with but a few corrections, I never said these groups are solely FLDS or by any means related to the LDS church. My point is that after the 1953 raid on Colorado City the group fractured and spread out, even before that event, going back to the late 1800s there has been people who self identify as "prophets" who have no connection to either the LDS other than being expelled from the LDS and not FLDS.
Ever hear of the Vallow–Daybell murder case? Want to read some strange books?
Look up Chad Daybell

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I'm very familiar with it. Daybell was mainstream and then went unhinged c. 2005 or so. Among many other issues he took up beliefs that were never mainstream LDS such as reincarnation.

 

[damYankee]

I'm very familiar with it. Daybell was mainstream and then went unhinged c. 2005 or so. Among many other issues he took up beliefs that were never mainstream LDS such as reincarnation.

You are correct, he is one of many who have "gone off the reservation."

 

[TallTallMan]

 

[Kurtlg]

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We have lots of derailments but eventually get back on track. You can't say we are boring.

 

[7th Texas Mounted Rifles]

Eastman's husband, Seth Eastman, was a career army officer who stayed loyal during the war. He also was an artist. They're an interesting couple.

Learn something new every day.

Seth Eastman's sketchbook is a major reference in the Texas Revolution circle for his depictions of the Alamo and the Powder House.

Also the most detailed sketch of Fort Inge!

I guess i never bothered to research what his wife was up to!

 

[CWdiaryPA]

One has to understand that at that time, every member of the faith belonged to the prophet and in the various fundamentalist off shoots they still do, your wife and children belong to the church as does your property, they can be taken from you and given to another man.
And your life?
There are a few rules that if violated, the violator can be disposed of without trial, on the word of the prophet and on the spot.
If I wrote about what I became aware of in my time living in Utah I would fear for my life, I am as serious as a heart attack.

That's what I'm saying. If I ever get got in this state, it's either the Norteños or the Latter Days of some permutation. Cash me out on Kolob

 

[Belfoured]

We have lots of derailments but eventually get back on track. You can't say we are boring.

Actually, this derailment is relatively minor compared to the cataclysmic train wrecks in some other threads.

 

[Kurtlg]

Actually, this derailment is relatively minor compared to the cataclysmic train wrecks in some other threads.

Yes , we kind of went off the trestle and crashed in the Bigfoot in the Civil War thread. We did have some fun though.

 

[Story]

This guy John Reeds https://boneyardalaska.com/
cites a private conversation he had with Professor Naske (dead now for a decade)

University mourns passing of Professor Emeritus Claus-M. Naske

www.uaf.edu

that the reason for the Seward's Alaska deal was some sort of (double?) payback for a Russian squadron blockading Charleston.

note - yes. there's a thread on that https://civilwartalk.com/threads/russian-naval-help.215002/

 

[TallTallMan]

This guy John Reeds https://boneyardalaska.com/
cites a private conversation he had with Professor Naske (dead now for a decade)

University mourns passing of Professor Emeritus Claus-M. Naske

www.uaf.edu

that the reason for the Seward's Alaska deal was some sort of (double?) payback for a Russian squadron blockading Charleston.

note - yes. there's a thread on that https://civilwartalk.com/threads/russian-naval-help.215002/

Is there a hotline to prove that?

 

[TallTallMan]

I just found out this guy accepts donations! Wanna get some money together?

Padraig Martin is Dixie on the Rocks

This is "Dixie on the Rocks" - a show dedicated to covering current events and how they impact the South.

buymeacoffee.com

 

[rebelatsea]

I just found out this guy accepts donations! Wanna get some money together?

Padraig Martin is Dixie on the Rocks

This is "Dixie on the Rocks" - a show dedicated to covering current events and how they impact the South.

buymeacoffee.com

Yeah, if I can find my old Monopoly set.