Unknown shoulder straps

[Billw12280]

I ran across these shoulder straps on the internet today and I wasn't sure what to think. I'm assuming they are either fraternal or militia straps. The site has them listed as non regulation Civil War shoulder straps. Does anybody know anything about them?

 

[Mike Serpa]

I've never seen a shape like that.

 

[UCVRelics]

I'm with @Mike Serpa unusual shape. What are measurements on them?

 

[Billw12280]

I hadn't either, they are very unusual. They are 4.5" x 1 5/8".

 

[UCVRelics]

With those dimension I believe they are collar insignia and not shoulder.

 

[Billw12280]

With those dimension I believe they are collar insignia and not shoulder.

I never considered that possibility, thank you!

 

[UCVRelics]

I would lean towards a dress uniform.

 

[zburkett]

Agree on collar. Could they be foreign?

 

[GELongstreet]

With the stars and colour scheme I´d also not opt out a state militia.

 

[Package4]

Even though there were military regulations, generals had virtually cart blanche to do what they wanted a prime example was Custer. Many other generals took liberties with rank on various field and dress uniforms. Those insignia are right as rain and come up for sale periodically.

Looking at them closer, they appear to be a general on staff.

 

[Package4]

I knew I had seen these before:

http://www.civilwarantiqueshop.com/ui37.htm

 

[Billw12280]

I knew I had seen these before:

http://www.civilwarantiqueshop.com/ui37.htm

That's exactly where I found them, there is also a pair on ebay for a brigadier general. So you would say they are absolutely correct non regulation Civil War shoulder straps? I thought about buying them for my Major General frock but they may be too early for my coat. I find them fascinating either way.