Too many Canadians.

[matthew mckeon]

Michael D. Pierson may be the writer of whom you speak. The Ft. Jackson book is intriguing.

That's the guy.

 

[Dave Wilma]

A large number of Canadians were French-speakers. Many others were immigrants who came after the war of 1812. The UELs may figure in genealogy but they were only a part of the population. The large number of Canadians who had moved to the US by 1860 may also indicate low levels of "Canadian" nationalism within many segments of the population.

I doubt that in 1860 there was a strong sense of being "Canadian." Rather the various ethnicities retained their identities, English, Scot, French, Irish, which would have guided any decisions individuals made during the ACW.

 

[Pat Young]

I doubt that in 1860 there was a strong sense of being "Canadian." Rather the various ethnicities retained their identities, English, Scot, French, Irish, which would have guided any decisions individuals made during the ACW.

I think you are probably right.

 

[Miles Krisman]

I think you are probably right.

At that time, there was a very strong affinity to the British Crown. The majority of the population was of British descent outside of Canada East (which became Quebec).

 

[Dave Wilma]

At that time, their was a very strong affinity to the British Crown. The majority of the population was of British descent outside of Canada East (which became Quebec).

British descent and even English, but the Scots and Irish might not have felt the same strong pull toward the Crown. And certainly not the French who experienced discrimination at the hand of the Anglophones. What may have influenced allegiances was antipathy towards Americans and the United States. Some Americans longed to take the British North American possessions in under the Stars and Stripes mostly so they could acquire land and resources.

During the ACW there was a vocal effort to declare war on the British as if the U.S. had time for another war. These voices were motivated by profit and not ideology. Canadians saw this and reacted appropriately. Not a few Americans migrated to Canada in the decades after the Revolution to get away from the darker aspects of the young democracy. The migrants were offered land in exchange to an oath to the King and were often treated better in their new homes than in their own.

My point is that whether the residents of Canada identified with the Crown or the Empire, they mostly did NOT identify with the United States.

 

[rbasin]

British descent and even English, but the Scots and Irish might not have felt the same strong pull toward the Crown. And certainly not the French who experienced discrimination at the hand of the Anglophones. What may have influenced allegiances was antipathy towards Americans and the United States. Some Americans longed to take the British North American possessions in under the Stars and Stripes mostly so they could acquire land and resources.

During the ACW there was a vocal effort to declare war on the British as if the U.S. had time for another war. These voices were motivated by profit and not ideology. Canadians saw this and reacted appropriately. Not a few Americans migrated to Canada in the decades after the Revolution to get away from the darker aspects of the young democracy. The migrants were offered land in exchange to an oath to the King and were often treated better in their new homes than in their own.

My point is that whether the residents of Canada identified with the Crown or the Empire, they mostly did NOT identify with the United States.

That's what a line of my family did. He was one of the largest landowners in Pennsylvania. Picked up his family in 1783 and left

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=47002441

His brother is the line of Herbert Hoover.

 

[rbasin]

To this day, although everyone knows we have at least 2 major lines of my maternal family from Ontario (Hoover, Sellers), no one in my family will admit to be of Canadian heritage, instead being of Irish and Scottish decent. I tick them off when I send emails around about news in Ontario.

 

[Pat Young]

To this day, although everyone knows we have at least 2 major lines of my maternal family from Ontario (Hoover, Sellers), no one in my family will admit to be of Canadian heritage, instead being of Irish and Scottish decent. I tick them off when I send emails around about news in Ontario.

Catchin' up on the homeland...

 

[rbasin]

Catchin' up on the homeland...

Just spreadin' the love!

 

[Pat Young]

Just spreadin' the love!

I lived in Buffalo and kept up with the news from Canada for years since we had become a suburb of TO.

 

[rbasin]

I lived in Buffalo and kept up with the news from Canada for years since we had become a suburb of TO.

We liked to think of Toronto as the Northern Tier! Used to love going to Ontario. That Sellers family still had a summer home near Crystal Beach when I was young. Ft Erie had a horse track that my father would visit. Shakespeare in the Park. The world's best Science Museum.

 

[Evan]

We liked to think of Toronto as the Northern Tier! Used to love going to Ontario. That Sellers family still had a summer home near Crystal Beach when I was young. Ft Erie had a horse track that my father would visit. Shakespeare in the Park. The world's best Science Museum.

Fort Erie still has the race track. Although they just closed down the Harness Racing section. My dad and I used to race Standardbreds in Sudbury, Ontario. Sad to see the harness racing industry fall.

 

[rbasin]

Fort Erie still has the race track. Although they just closed down the Harness Racing section. My dad and I used to race Standardbreds in Sudbury, Ontario. Sad to see the harness racing industry fall.

Money money money. You no doubt remember the highlight reels of the 70s+80s? You've seen the races in Buffalo when it snowed so bad the announcer couldn't see who won? I was there. In fact I slept there with my dad. snowed in. I remember there was a sizeable horse farm just north of Ft Erie. Had its own track. Real high end stuff.

 

[Evan]

Money money money. You no doubt remember the highlight reels of the 70s+80s? You've seen the races in Buffalo when it snowed so bad the announcer couldn't see who won? I was there. In fact I slept there with my dad. snowed in. I remember there was a sizeable horse farm just north of Ft Erie. Had its own track. Real high end stuff.

Can't say that... I'm only 16! Quite still involved with horses, even without the races. I first started jogging horses when I was roughly 11. But sadly, our local track sold off to a German solar panel company and we lost it. I sure do miss it.

 

[rbasin]

Can't say that... I'm only 16! Quite still involved with horses, even without the races. I first started jogging horses when I was roughly 11. But sadly, our local track sold off to a German solar panel company and we lost it. I sure do miss it.

Just a baby Canuck! Outside of Buffalo, there is, I think its still there, Batavia Downs. My dad loved playing the ponies, so we were there a lot also (That's where the snow storm video is from). I played my first real game of Golf at the Country Club right near the track in Ft. Erie, which was built mostly for the horse owners. You're too young then to remember Crystal Beach, which had the Comet, the world's largest wooden track roller coaster. Love Ontario, except in the summer around the lake with those big bugs!

 

[Pat Young]

Just a baby Canuck! Outside of Buffalo, there is, I think its still there, Batavia Downs. My dad loved playing the ponies, so we were there a lot also (That's where the snow storm video is from). I played my first real game of Golf at the Country Club right near the track in Ft. Erie, which was built mostly for the horse owners. You're too young then to remember Crystal Beach, which had the Comet, the world's largest wooden track roller coaster. Love Ontario, except in the summer around the lake with those big bugs!

Crystal Beach closed?

 

[rbasin]

Crystal Beach closed?

Years ago. The comet is in use, but in parts in different parks. Had wonderful views of the lake on the comet!

 

[Pat Young]

Years ago. The comet is in use, but in parts in different parks. Had wonderful views of the lake on the comet!

Too bad.

 

[rbasin]

Too bad.

Toronto opened Wonderland, which is, or was, years ahead of Disney in rides and amusements. Plus, Darien Lake opened less than an hour from Buffalo. I loved Crystal Beach. My family had been going there as far back as when it opened in the late 1880's. My uncle has a program that belonged to my Great x2 Grandfather from the mid 1890's. That's where the Seller's part of my family had their summer home.

 

[rbasin]

Too bad.

I looked up crystal Beach online, and now its a swanky high end gated community