Thoughts on this Confederate box plate?

[Lotberry Austin]

I know most confederate ammo boxes did not have box plates but there were some that had "CS" on them and were lead (or lead and tar) filled. I picked this one up because I liked it but I have no clue if it's legit or not. I've heard North Carolina (maybe militia?) had some like this in the very early part of the war and I've seen a few just like this on various auction sites (not eBay). Does anyone know what this is?...authentic.....modern repro.....Bannerman...etc?
It's a bit asymmetrical in shape, exactly 3" wide and 1 7/8" at its tallest point. The iron clip on the back is soldered down and the solder has crystalized a bit. Maybe it's not even a box plate. I don't know.

Any thoughts are welcome.

 

[captaindrew]

The CS government never produced box plates, they didn't have the resources to waist on such an adornment. To further that they never lead filled any of their buckles, the few CS buckles that were made were stamped with no filling.

 

[Lotberry Austin]

The CS government never produced box plates, they didn't have the resources to waist on such an adornment. To further that they never lead filled any of their buckles, the few CS buckles that were made were stamped with no filling.

Ya see, that's what I find so confusing about all of this. You are definitely a knowledgeable person on these yet Rafael at Shiloh Relics says that some of the stamped egg shape "CS" buckles DID have lead on the back. He says that collectors refer to them as the Virginia style while without lead are called Tennessee style. He's even got a video about it.

I should also add that there's a gentleman here named Craig L Barry who apparently is a knowledgeable person about these things and he posted years ago that were CS cartridge box plates early in the war (reportedly quite rare), along with southern state "Seal" box plates and southern state "Letter" box plates.

Regardless, I was hoping someone would know who made this stamped plate, fake or not.

 

[captaindrew]

Well I missed that one, I'll have to look that one up, if Rafael says so I believe him. But they certainly weren't box plates. CS box plates only exist in sutler tents at mainstream reenactments.

 

[captaindrew]

Ya see, that's what I find so confusing about all of this. You are definitely a knowledgeable person on these yet Rafael at Shiloh Relics says that some of the stamped egg shape "CS" buckles DID have lead on the back. He says that collectors refer to them as the Virginia style while without lead are called Tennessee style. He's even got a video about it.

I found your "Box Plate" by the way, I thought I've seen it before, click here https://civilwartalk.com/threads/ucv-belt-buckle.166350/

 

[Lotberry Austin]

I found your "Box Plate" by the way, I thought I've seen it before, click here https://civilwartalk.com/threads/ucv-belt-buckle.166350/

Yep, that solves it! 1960s for Manassas reenactment. I'll tag it as that. Thanks!

 

[2ndDEboy]

I know most confederate ammo boxes did not have box plates but there were some that had "CS" on them and were lead (or lead and tar) filled. I picked this one up because I liked it but I have no clue if it's legit or not. I've heard North Carolina (maybe militia?) had some like this in the very early part of the war and I've seen a few just like this on various auction sites (not eBay). Does anyone know what this is?...authentic.....modern repro.....Bannerman...etc?
It's a bit asymmetrical in shape, exactly 3" wide and 1 7/8" at its tallest point. The iron clip on the back is soldered down and the solder has crystalized a bit. Maybe it's not even a box plate. I don't know.

Any thoughts are welcome.

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Fake

 

[2ndDEboy]

The CS government never produced box plates, they didn't have the resources to waist on such an adornment. To further that they never lead filled any of their buckles, the few CS buckles that were made were stamped with no filling.

Other plates that were lead filled were pre war state militia buckles such as this puppy paw Georgia plate mostly made by a northern maker

 

[captaindrew]

Other plates that were lead filled were pre war state militia buckles such as this puppy paw Georgia plate mostly made by a northern maker

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Yup, certainly there were state produced box plates, breast plates, and buckles, as you said mostly made pre war. But the CS central government/depots didn't produce any box or breast plates. Thanks for sharing that one. Was that a Gettysburg find?

 

[2ndDEboy]

Yup, certainly there were state produced box plates, breast plates, and buckles, as you said mostly made pre war. But the CS central government/depots didn't produce any box or breast plates. Thanks for sharing that one. Was that a Gettysburg find?

Yes heths reserve position it was dug by Ed miller and publish in the green Gettysburg battlefield souvenir and relic book Mike o donnel