Third National Confederate Flag

[corn-fed-erate]

With the short amount of time between adaption of the Third National Flag and the end of the war, did the new flag design make it to the "field" in time to fly on any ironclads?

 

[rebelatsea]

With the short amount of time between adaption of the Third National Flag and the end of the war, did the new flag design make it to the "field" in time to fly on any ironclads?

I have to say that I have no idea, I wouldn't have thought so, even though I have some of my models carrying it. Mark might have a better opinion.

 

[Mark F. Jenkins]

I'd have to review the timeline. Although there's no photographic evidence that I'm aware of, I think it's likely that the Confederate James River Squadron, at least, flew the Third National at the end of the war; possibly Charleston as well.

 

[huskerblitz]

With the short amount of time between adaption of the Third National Flag and the end of the war, did the new flag design make it to the "field" in time to fly on any ironclads?

According to the Museum of the Confederacy site it says very few if any ever flew over troops. I know it's not a definitive answer but it's something to go on.
http://www.moc.org/collections-archives/flags-confederacy

 

[7th Mississippi Infantry]

With the short amount of time between adaption of the Third National Flag and the end of the war, did the new flag design make it to the "field" in time to fly on any ironclads?

Great question.
I also have no answer.

My gut feeling is that it was too late in the ball game to worry about new flags.

 

[Albert Sailhorst]

I agree with others. I recall, though I can't quote the source just now, that the 3rd National was never flown, except maybe at the Capitol and a few other places. I wish I could remember more specifics, but they escape me.....I guess, in this instance, I am not too reliable!

 

[kepi]

I'd have to review the timeline. Although there's no photographic evidence that I'm aware of, I think it's likely that the Confederate James River Squadron, at least, flew the Third National at the end of the war; possibly Charleston as well.

I read somewhere that more first nationals served on the field than the traditional battle flag even at the end of the war. I can't recall where I saw that information.

 

[kepi]

Great question.
I also have no answer.

My gut feeling is that it was too late in the ball game to worry about new flags.

I would agree. I can only recall a few instances of the stainless banner being used in the field, but not the third. It was adopted so late in the war that material was hard to obtain and getting it to units probably wasn't a top priority.

 

[kepi]

The Third National pattern, adopted March 4, 1865, shortened the white field and added a vertical red bar to the end of the Second National pattern flag. Very few, if any, of the Third National pattern flags saw service during the war, since General Lee's Army of Northern Virginia surrendered just a few weeks later at Appomattox.

http://www.moc.org/collections-archives/flags-confederacy

 

[TinCan]

I have never been a fan of the 3rd National. They should have stuck with the 1st or even made the CBF a national. And why by March 1865 would the Confederate Congress worry about a flag when they had a lot more important things to worry about?

 

[Rebel from Finland]

I have never been a fan of the 3rd National. They should have stuck with the 1st or even made the CBF a national. And why by March 1865 would the Confederate Congress worry about a flag when they had a lot more important things to worry about?

They might have been out of peanuts and chewtobacco? Seriously, I recall that it was adapted because the stainless version looked too much of a white flag. So it had a political statement, never surrender, and maybe that's why they had time to consider that matter on so desperate times..

 

[rhettbutler1865]

I have never been a fan of the 3rd National. They should have stuck with the 1st or even made the CBF a national. And why by March 1865 would the Confederate Congress worry about a flag when they had a lot more important things to worry about?

Good answer. I think they should have stuck with the 1st. And yes, they had a lot more problems to worry about!

 

[kepi]

I actually prefer the first national to either of the two other national flags.

 

[rebelatsea]

Here is the naval ensign proposed by John M Brooke.

 

[georgew]

Here is the naval ensign proposed by John M Brooke.View attachment 66648

Kind of looks like a first national that slipped off the barstool.

 

[rhettbutler1865]

Here is the naval ensign proposed by John M Brooke.View attachment 66648

I'd like to see an anchor and rope somewhere on this or something similar...

 

[Poor Private]

I prefer the Bonnie blue myself. the first looks to much like the union when laying against the staff, the 2nd looks like they are surrendering, 3rd just too darn late.

 

[Delhi Rangers]

The Third National Flag is commonly know as "The Blood-Stained Banner". I have also always liked the First National flag the most.

 

[rebelatsea]

I prefer the Bonnie blue myself. the first looks to much like the union when laying against the staff, the 2nd looks like they are surrendering, 3rd just too darn late.

The Bonnie blue was occasionally used as a command flag in the CSN. Very late in the war Semmes proposed it's use as na Admirals's fl.ag, don't know if he got any response.

 

[rebelatsea]

I'd like to see an anchor and rope somewhere on this or something similar...

Does look a bit plain doesn't it. The blue canton would have had to have been enlarged to get every star into it, had the flag been adopted.