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Mac was always tentative and his results confirm it.Have always thought that any Union advantage gained by knowing 'Lee's lost orders' was largely nullified by McClellan's tentative and cautious approach.
The interesting thing about the claim that McClellan's approach was "tentative and cautious" is that it implies there was a better course of action that could have more fully exploited the lost orders. I'm of course open to hear what that might be.Have always thought that any Union advantage gained by knowing 'Lee's lost orders' was largely nullified by McClellan's tentative and cautious approach.
The interesting thing about the claim that McClellan's approach was "tentative and cautious" is that it implies there was a better course of action that could have more fully exploited the lost orders. I'm of course open to hear what that might be.
But how do any of those purported deficiencies (which aren't really anything distinctively different - for example estimation is just hard in general and there are good cases of other generals making mis-estimates at least as bad) actually apply to his use of Special Order 191? That's about the events of the afternoon of the 13th (from 2PM-3PM onwards) and the 14th, as that is the point at which SO191 still has any utility.Think McClellan's 'tentative and cautious' approach was manifest in his frequent significant overestimations of enemy strength (which fed his caution) and delays/reluctance (natural inclinations) to launch attacking and follow-up actions.
The interesting thing about the claim that McClellan's approach was "tentative and cautious" is that it implies there was a better course of action that could have more fully exploited the lost orders. I'm of course open to hear what that might be.
This is incorrect, and in fact is the precise issue that The Tale Untwisted (the shorter version already published) was about. McClellan recieved the Lost Order between 2pm and 3pm, at his headquarters (at which he arrived after 2PM).McClellan received the lost order (with authentication of it) in the late morning of September 13.
So to go through this in a bit more detail.McClellan received the lost order (with authentication of it) in the late morning of September 13. The records indicate that McClellan realized he had an opportunity to defeat Lee and he intended to seize it. At this time, he knew Lee's operational plan and the dispersal of his scattered commands (but not their strengths), he knew that Harpers Ferry still held out, and he had most of his Army positioned around Frederick. (Consequently, his noon wire to Lincoln that same day indicated that he would move immediately). But McClellan delayed marching his relatively fresh Army for a full 18 hours, thereby losing any advantage gained by surprise. He delayed the planned march of the bulk of his Army (almost 70,000 men) through Turner's Gap. He also assigned Franklin's much smaller force (less than 20,000 men) and without reinforcements, to relieve Harpers Ferry via Crampton's Gap and through the Pleasant Valley, and to deal with any resistence met along the way. The orders to all of his Corps commanders at Frederick, as well as to Franklin, did not instruct marching before daylight, the next day. (Franklin's orders were not sent until 6.20 pm on the 13 th).
This is a little odd; McClellan directed events at army command level at Williamsport, Seven Pines, Oak Grove, Mechanicsville, Gaines Mill, Glendale and Malvern Hill, while at Savage Station he was orchestrating a stepwise pullback from the other side of the White Oak. During the movement to Sharpsburg he ordered his forces through Turners Gap, but 9th Corps was sluggish and so other units got priority to push through them; the attack on September 17 is entirely justified by the need to attack with mass and across a wide front rather than just pushing forward the first-arriving units over a single bridge and up a hill to a killing field.The Lost Order emboldened McClellan to call Lee's bluff and eventually force an engagement upon him at Sharpsburg. It might also be argued that any confidence generated by the Lost Order impacted on McClellan's apparent lack of urgency in marching his Army through Turners Gap to Sharpsburg and delays in deploying it ready to launch an attack on Lee's smaller force positioned there, which did not occur until early on September 17. (McClellan's explanation for the attacking delay, was that he needed more time to reconnoiter the ground and find fords). As Sears says (at page 163), …"Perhaps he needed more time to nerve himself for the test against Lee. Except for a minor engagement on the Peninsula, McClellan had never planned and directed a battle. Certainly he had never been so boldly challenged to initiate one, and he was intent on having everything just right."….
Thought that Colonel Samuel Pittman, who knew well the order's signatory, R. H. Chilton (and his handwriting) from prewar experiences, authenticated the handwriting beforehand. Alpheus Williams delivered the document to McClellan's headquarters for the high commander to read.This is incorrect, and in fact is the precise issue that The Tale Untwisted (the shorter version already published) was about. McClellan recieved the Lost Order between 2pm and 3pm, at his headquarters (at which he arrived after 2PM).
Yes, but the fact that an order was written by the right person does not mean that the right person has not written it as a fake. This is why the author was verified, but the truth of the order being a genuine captured order was not automatically verified by that detail.Thought that Colonel Samuel Pittman, who knew well the order's signatory, R. H. Chilton (and his handwriting) from prewar experiences, authenticated the handwriting beforehand. Alpheus Williams delivered the document to McClellan's headquarters for the high commander to read.
Sears is wrong. His evidence rests on the noon telegram, but it wasn't a noon telegram - it was a midnight one. The retained copy says "12 midnight", and "recieved 2:30 AM".According to Stephen Sears in 'Landscape Turned Red', at page 113, …"It was late morning when the copy of Order 191 was handed to McClellan"….
Thought McClellan followed this up with a wire to Lincoln at noon, acknowledging the existence of the Lost Order.
Thank you for providing the detailed extra information. Appreciate that timelines are crucial for tracing these matters.So to go through this in a bit more detail.
1) McClellan did not recieve the Lost Order in the late morning. The noon telegram you describe, as outlined in The Tale Untwisted, is actually impossible as no telegraph link existed over which the message could travel; it also describes a situation which did not exist until the afternoon, and the retained copy says "12 midnight". Sears has actually accepted that the copy says "12 midnight", but has argued that the "idnight" is a later addition.
The telegram was a midnight telegram, not a noon one.
McClellan was told that the signature was genuine, but that doesn't automatically preclude it being a fake, and he sent Pleasonton to try and verify it around 3PM.
2) McClellan did not delay marching his army for 18 hours. Cox's division was ordered out of Frederick to the west around noon (i.e. before the Lost Order was recieved) and that division of 9th Corps led the rest of the main column of the army (all of which had to fit through Frederick, which took Lee more than a complete day with his army). There was certainly a big traffic jam delaying the movements of part of the army, but the column was on the move, with the closest thing to a delay being that the Kanawha division (Cox's) appears to have had trouble pulling itself together on the western side of Frederick; nonetheless Cox said that he'd been ordered out around noon.
3) McClellan did not delay his planned march.
4) Franklin's force is the only force that does not have to fit through Frederick (or take a large detour to avoid doing so) and as such is the only force that can be sent to Crampton's Gap without delaying the advance of the main column. McClellan did however pull in Couch's division to reinforce Franklin; any other units McClellan could have sent would have to be from the main column moving through Frederick, or would have to divert by several hours to avoid the Frederick traffic jam.
Franklin's force was at Buckeystown that afternoon, and from there to Cramptons Gap is about 16 miles (about 1 1/2 days' march); the fact that Franklin's head of column arrived at Cramptons Gap at noon indicates that Franklin had actually moved quite fast, though McClellan's orders envisaged Franklin attacking sooner. (It is my understanding that Franklin moved to the foot of Jefferson Gap overnight.)
5) Armies tend to move during the day, not at night. This is because, and forgive me if this gets a bit technical, during the day you can see where you're going.
9th Corps actually did march by night, and 1st Corps woke up hours before dawn to follow them, while 6th Corps also did some movement by night. 2nd and 12th Corps were stacked up behind 9th and 1st trying to fit through Frederick.
6) McClellan's orders to Franklin were sent at the end of the day, around 3-4 hours after he'd got the Lost Order, yes. However, during this time Jefferson Gap had been taken (which allowed Franklin to pass over the Catoctins) and while McClellan hadn't yet got verification from Pleasonton he appears to have decided to go ahead and proceed as if the dispatch was accurate.
It is perfectly normal for orders to be sent in the evening containing instructions for the next day's movements; the reason McClellan didn't order 9th Corps, or 1st Corps, after getting the Lost Order is that they were already moving.
It's important to consider the specific ways in which the changed timeline of events (from McClellan immediately ordering Franklin, for example) would actually impact the campaign.
For example, if McClellan sends an extra corps as well as Franklin to Cramptons Gap, which corps should he send and by what route? The corps around Frederick are all waiting to get over the same bridge and there's not another one for miles, so you have to wait until 9th Corps clears the road unless you send a corps by a long detour; then you have to wait for them to arrive before an attack is launched, since having a long column of men behind your army doesn't actually make the fighting front hit harder.
This is a little odd; McClellan directed events at army command level at Williamsport, Seven Pines, Oak Grove, Mechanicsville, Gaines Mill, Glendale and Malvern Hill, while at Savage Station he was orchestrating a stepwise pullback from the other side of the White Oak. During the movement to Sharpsburg he ordered his forces through Turners Gap, but 9th Corps was sluggish and so other units got priority to push through them; the attack on September 17 is entirely justified by the need to attack with mass and across a wide front rather than just pushing forward the first-arriving units over a single bridge and up a hill to a killing field.
Okay.Yes, but the fact that an order was written by the right person does not mean that the right person has not written it as a fake. This is why the author was verified, but the truth of the order being a genuine captured order was not automatically verified by that detail.
Sears is wrong. His evidence rests on the noon telegram, but it wasn't a noon telegram - it was a midnight one. The retained copy says "12 midnight", and "recieved 2:30 AM".
Yes, because Sears is insistent that "12 m" in this case means 12 meridian, as it's the key piece of evidence for his "McClellan got the Lost Orders in the morning" thesis. However, the existing retained telegram says 12 midnight, something which someone (I believe Gene Thorp?) eventually managed to get Sears to admit in an email exchange, but Sears still claimed the "idnight" was a forgery!Interestingly, also at page 113, Sears in referring to McClellan's follow up wire to Lincoln says,
..."Datelined 'Frederick, September 13, 1862 - 12 m.' (12 meridian, or noon),"....
Thank you for this interesting and compelling piece of information.Yes, because Sears is insistent that "12 m" in this case means 12 meridian, as it's the key piece of evidence for his "McClellan got the Lost Orders in the morning" thesis. However, the existing retained telegram says 12 midnight, something which someone (I believe Gene Thorp?) eventually managed to get Sears to admit in an email exchange, but Sears still claimed the "idnight" was a forgery!
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Note that it says "time recieved: 2/35 a m" in the top left as well.
The telegram also describes events which had not yet taken place as of 12 noon. For example the Catoctin passes which McClellan describes in the telegram as secured were not taken until after noon. Braddock Heights was not taken until ~1pm and Jefferson Pass not until ~5:30 pm.
Meanwhile the commander of the 27th Indiana said that the march of the regiment didn't end until "about noon" and that he got given the Lost Order after the march ended.
It's definitely a good example of how a historian boldly stating something incorrect can contaminate the general understanding.Thank you for this interesting and compelling piece of information.
Indeed - as it is, the movements of the 13th and the 14th are actually quite rapid. The "18 hours delay" meme is based on the idea that it just sounds like a long time, but of course night time exists, and at least three corps were on the move during the night in some way.At the very least, the "18 hours of inactivity" meme makes no sense whether we assume McClellan had (and verified!) SO191 by noon, Sept 13 or not. Eighteen hours from noon, Sept 13 is 6 AM, Sept 14. If it was truly the case that McClellan had not made up his mind to advance until then, the fact that any Federal troops were in shape to fight at South Mountain on the 14th is hard to explain. They would have had to cover about 20 miles in six (and for some as little as three) hours. (And we haven't factored in the normal 'getting orders out' delays.)
I'm convinced that Sears is simply wrong on this one and a map of Union movements on Sept 13 is enough in itself to show why.
This is honestly a big part of the issue with Sears - the combination of being a readable and comprehensive introductory overview and having a bias means that people get a biased view of certain subjects quite early on. This can even apply to other historians, because for example Rafuse in McClellan's War assumed in places that Sears was accurate on matters of fact (if not interpretation) instead of looking into whether Sears was incorrectly reporting facts.Have generally liked Sear's works because they provide readable and comprehensive overviews (at a more introductory level) on subjects like Antietam, Gettysburg and the Peninsula Campaign. Have noticed, though, past threads in these forums that have questioned bits of his content.