You claim that there was no shortage until the April 7 cutoff by the Confederacy, if this was true then why would all these officers say otherwise at least two weeks before that...
No i explained the rate of consumption of supplies doubled after the 7th, and that Anderson Qm reports do not return the same numbers of days of supply as Andersons gave, nor does expected date of exhustion, take into acount suppies now allowed into the Fort from contractor.
Your mathmatics do not represent what actually occured thus your theories are flawed.He must not have been getting the amount of supplies from Charleston as you claim, and as Anderson complains about in several OR's...
Yawn, you make a claim on maths but dont use maths to argue against maths, Scott got to roughly the same answer as i did from the same QM reports and rations.
Your childish claim is noted, it contradicts Anderson acount, the War dept payemnet and authorising of the contartcors to deliver, and we have letters telling when they are deilvered, and we know that when they are, consumption opf stores falls by 50%, if they are not eating anything else, they were on half rations therfore, which we know they were not, get an adult argument nota childish one.
This copy of the letter was printed by the New York Herald (New York, New York) on the front page of its April 5, 1861, issue:
Reported Letter from Fort Sumter
Buffalo, April 4, 1861
The Commercial Advertiser publishes a letter this afternoon signed "Johnson McNeill," a private in the army, who enlisted at Buffalo a year ago, and who is now with Major Anderson in Fort Sumter. There is not a doubt as to the genuineness of the letter, which, on account of the soldier's inability to write well, was written by a sergeant, and brought by a passenger to New York on the last steamer. He says:
"We have enough to eat and drink and sufficient to keep us for four months. Our fuel is scarce, but that is nothing. The rebels think we have been idle, but they nor anyone else will ever know how many men we have in this garrison. We have got sufficient to hold the fort against the whole South in a body. Major Anderson is a true soldier, and so are the other officers, and the men would die for him. I only wish we had a chance to give the rascals hell, and we can do it, too. If we ever go out of this fort, it will not be with the wish of our officers. As to sending us men and supplies, it is all nonsense to talk about it. It cannot be done. We are all right, if old Lincoln will only have the backbone to stand by us."
Your again not understanding answers already given to you, i posted Anderosn acount ofwhen Anderson had no supplies, when he was satisfied with them.
Heres the Workmen visiting Charleston on the 10th, 8 days passed when the board troll says they have no food left and are starving.
APRIL 10, 1861
THE SPRINGFIELD DAILY REPUBLICAN
WARLIKE MOVEMENTS AND RUMORS
The Washington correspondents for one day agree in their interpretations of the war movements, and assert that a portion of the fleet which ahs sailed from New York has gone to carry supplies to Fort Sumter. They say that messengers have been sent to Montgomery and Charleston to inform Jeff. Davis and Gov. Pickens of this design, and give them fair notice that if they resist this peaceful movement the responsibility of initiating war will rest upon them. The vessels were expected to reach Charleston harbor on Tuesday. If they are fired into they are prepared to resist the attack, and Major Anderson is said to be instructed in that case to open a fire upon the insurgent batteries, with the assurance that the government will sustain him at every hazard.
Several laborers from Fort Sumter who were in Charleston on Thursday last, stated that there were in all thirty laborers in the fort, who are looking with anxious expectation for an opportunity to leave. They also state that there were seventy-two soldiers in the fort, most of tem Irishmen and married men; some of them have their families in Charleston. Nearly all the garrison are extremely anxious to avoid a hostile engagement, according to the statement of these men.
Do you think they refrained from purchasing any food while there or was it a sight seeing trip to ease stravation pains?, or did they wait for them to be delivered?
APRIL 12, 1861
THE LIBERATOR / THE BARRE GAZETTE
WAR AT HAND!
The last dispatch of our Secessionist friend at Montgomery leaves no room for hope of a peaceable adjustment of our country's intestine troubles. The Jeff. Davis Confederacy has resolved towage offensive war on the Government of the United States, and will assault or open fire on Fort Pickens forthwith.
Meantime, the limited daily supply of fresh provisions hitherto allowed by Gov. Pickens to be furnished to Fort Sumter has been stopped, and we may hear at any moment that this Fort, too, has been carried by assault, or is so pressed that it must speedily surrender. Within a few days at farthest, the cannon of the insurgents will be battering down the defences and slaughtering the defenders of the American Union.
Let us pause a moment and consider.
PS.. So where is your proof that Anderson said he didn't want a relief force because he had enough supplies.. You keep saying you posted it, so where is the post number...I put this request in bold since you have ignored the last two or three times I 've asked you to back up this statement..
Anderson was orderd to request supplies should he require them, he never did so, he advised on number of aciasion against relief efforts. I started in post 242 with Holt and andersons letters saying this and have posted extracts from them for you till you kept asking for them again and again.
Haveing answered in in post 242 and every time i used a extract from Holt letter, you will find i started with the information you asked for and refered to it throught the thread.
Joseph Holt and Winfield Scott to Abraham Lincoln, Tuesday, March 05, 1861
(FortSumter)From Joseph Holt and Winfield Scott to Abraham Lincoln, March 5, 1861War Department,March 5th., 1861.Sir:I have the honor to submit for your consideration several letters, with inclosures, received onyesterday, from Major Anderson of the Artillery, and Captain Foster of the Corps of Engineerswhich are of a most important and unexpected character. Why they were unexpected, will appear from the following brief statement.After transferring his force to Fort Sumter, he addressed a letter to this Department, under date of the 31st. of December, 1860, in which he says "Thank god, we are now where the Governmentmay send us additional troops at its leisure. To be sure, the uncivil and uncourteous action of theGovernor in preventing us from purchasing anything in the city will annoy and inconvenience ussomewhat, still we are safe." And, after referring to some deficiency in his stores in the articles of soap and candles, he adds, "Still we can cheerfully put up with the inconvenience of doingwithout them for the satisfaction we feel in the knowledge that we can command this Harbor aslong as our government wishes to keep it."And again, on the 6th. of January, he wrote "My position will, should there be no treacheryamong the workmen whom we are compelled to retain for the present, enable me to hold this postagainst any force which can be brought against me, and it would enable me in the event of a war,to annoy the South Carolinians by preventing the from throwing in supplies into their new postsexcept by the aid of the wash channel through stone river."Before the receipt of this communication, the government, being without information as to hiscondition, had despatched the Star of the West, with troops and supplies for Fort Sumter, but thevessel, having been fired on from a battery at the entrance to the Harbor, returned without havingreached her destination.On the 16th. of January, 1861, in replying to Major Anderson's letter of the 31st. of December,and of the 6th. of January, I said "Your late despatches, as well as the very intelligent statementsof Lieutenant Talbot, have relieved the Government of the apprehensions previously entertainedfor your safety. In consequence, it is not its purpose, at present, to reenforce you. The attempt todo so would no doubt be attended by a collision of arms, and the effusion of blood -- a nationalcalamity which the President is most anxious to avoid. You will therefore report frequently your condition, and the character and activity of the preparations, if any, which may be being made for an attack upon the Fort, or for obstructing the government in any endeavors it may make to
strengthen your command. Should your despatches by of a nature too important to be entrusted tothe mails, you will convey them by special messengers.
Whenever, in your judgment, additionalsupplies or reinforcements are necessary for your safety, or for a successful defence of the Fort,you will at once communicate the fact to this Department, and a prompt and vigorous effort willbe made to forward them. ( Anderson never request such supplies ever)"Since the date of this letter, Major Anderson has regularly and frequently reported the progress of the batteries being constructed around him, and which looked either to the defence of the Harbor,or to an attack upon his own position, but he has not suggested that their works compromised hissafety, nor has he made any request that additional supplies or reinforcements should be sent tohim. On the contrary, on the 30th. of January, 1861, in a letter to this Department he uses thisemphatic language:
"I do hope that no attempt will be made by our friends to throw supplies in --their doing so would do more harm than good." On the 5th. February, when referring to thebatteries &c. constructed in his vicinity, he said "Even in their present condition they will make itimpossible for any hostile force, other than a large and well appointed one, to enter this Harbor and the chances are that it will then be at a great sacrifice of life:" And, in a postscript, he adds"Of course, in speaking of forcing an entrance, I do not refer to the little strategem of a smallparty slipping in." This suggestion of the "strategem" was well considered in connection with allthe information that could be obtained bearing upon it, and in consequence of the vigilance andnumber of the guard boats in and outside of the Harbor, it was rejected as impracticable.In view of these very distinct declarations, and of the earnest desire to avoid a collision as long aspossible, it was deemed entirely safe to adhere to the line of policy indicated in my letter of the16th. of January, which has been already quoted. In that, Major Anderson had been requested toreport "at once" whenever, "in his judgement additional supplies or reinforcements werenecessary for his safety or for a successful defence of the Fort." So long, therefore, as heremained silent upon this point, the government felt that there was no ground for apprehension.Still, as the necessity of action might arise at any moment, an expedition has been quietlyprepared, and is ready to sail from New York on a few hours notice, for transporting troops andsupplies to Fort Sumter. This step was taken under the supervision of General Scott, whoarranged its details, and who regarded the reinforcements thus provided for as sufficient for theoccasion. The expedition, however, is not upon a scale approaching the seemingly extravagantestimates of Major Anderson and Captain Foster, now offered for the first time, and for thedisclosures of which the government was wholly unprepared.
The declaration now made by the Major that he would not be willing to risk his reputation on anattempt to throw reinforcements into Charleston Harbor and with a view of holding possession of the same, with a force of less than twenty thousand good and well disciplined men, takes theDepartment by surprise as his previous correspondence contains no such estimation. I have the honor to be, Very Respectfully,Your Obt. Servant,J Holt
Ive boldied so you dont ask the same question again.
Bringing the