Lee Submarine Robert E. Lee

[WJC]

Two 20th century presidents? Let me help you with your math one day?

Thanks for your response. I will appreciate your help in correcting my statement.

 

[WJC]

By the way, we are not descendant from, "rebels," we are descended from, "Confederates."

Thanks for your response.
I refuse to argue the point, although the fact is that those so-called "Confederates" were engaged in a rebellion against the lawful government. Fortunately, in the years since, Americans from all regions reconciled their differences and the term "rebel" persists both as a factual description and as an honorable distinction.
Even today, many Southerners proudly claim to be rebels....

 

[mofederal]

There were other Nuclear subs, the USS Stonewall Jackson and the USS Richard L. Page, other ships named for Confederate were the USS Waddell, USS Semmes, USS Hunley and the USS Dixon. We name ships as we do, we always have.

 

[DaveBrt]

Thanks for your response.
I refuse to argue the point, although the fact is that those so-called "Confederates" were engaged in a rebellion against the lawful government.

Hey, sounds like a good subject for a new thread! Maybe you should start one. /SARC

 

[Jimklag]

Two 20th century presidents? Let me help you with your math one day?

By the way, we are not descendant from, "rebels," we are descended from, "Confederates." That's what we like to be called and everyone (but us, it seems) is allowed to be called as he wishes.

You let me know when you're ready to do the math on 20th century presidents and I'll help you out.

The rebels of 1861 -1865 had no problem at all being called rebels. They relished it. They even called the Civil War the 2nd American Revolution. People who make revolutions are universally and correctly known as rebels. The patriots of 1776 were rebels. George Washington was a rebel and he and his fellow rebels expected to be hanged if they lost. Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis and Sam Watkins were rebels. It is a fact - not an insult. A bit touchy, aren't we?

 

[Drew]

The rebels of 1861 -1865 had no problem at all being called rebels. They relished it. They even called the Civil War the 2nd American Revolution. People who make revolutions are universally and correctly known as rebels. The patriots of 1776 were rebels. George Washington was a rebel and he and his fellow rebels expected to be hanged if they lost. Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis and Sam Watkins were rebels. It is a fact - not an insult. A bit touchy, aren't we?

I was actually kidding, Jimklag. For Goodness sake?

Let's lighten up a bit around here?

 

[Will Carry]

The Stewart tank and the Lee Tank predate the Sherman Tank.

 

[Carronade]

There were other Nuclear subs, the USS Stonewall Jackson and the USS Richard L. Page, other ships named for Confederate were the USS Waddell, USS Semmes, USS Hunley and the USS Dixon. We name ships as we do, we always have.

The 60s were an era of inclusivity, although I don't recall that the term had been coined yet. The Polaris ballistic missile submarines had "Famous Americans" names, a category which eventually included Hawaiian king Kamehameha, South American liberator Simon Bolivar, and Indian chief Tecumseh - AFAIK the only American military ship name to commemorate someone killed by the American military.

There have been two USS Semmes and three Buchanans, the first of each in the massive WWI destroyer program. The last pair were in the 1960s Charles F. Adams class of destroyers, which also included Waddell and Tatnall.

 

[Schwallanscher]

... and Indian chief Tecumseh - AFAIK the only American military ship name to commemorate someone killed by the American military.

i think uss stonewall jackson would qualify for this as well (no matter who actually shot him)

 

[Carronade]

The Stewart tank and the Lee Tank predate the Sherman Tank.

The names were actually coined by the British, who began assigning names to tanks around 1940. While Stuart was the official name, the crews often referred to them as Honeys.

 

[archieclement]

The 60s were an era of inclusivity, although I don't recall that the term had been coined yet. The Polaris ballistic missile submarines had "Famous Americans" names, a category which eventually included Hawaiian king Kamehameha, South American liberator Simon Bolivar, and Indian chief Tecumseh - AFAIK the only American military ship name to commemorate someone killed by the American military.

There have been two USS Semmes and three Buchanans, the first of each in the massive WWI destroyer program. The last pair were in the 1960s Charles F. Adams class of destroyers, which also included Waddell and Tatnall.

 

[Mortari]

US Military bases were big ones too.

Henry Benning was a politician turned General of the south who Ft. Benning was named after.

Fort Bragg, Polk, Lee, A.P. Hill, Gordon, Pickett, Rucker, Camp Beauregard...

 

[archieclement]

US Military bases were big ones too.

Henry Benning was a politician turned General of the south who Ft. Benning was named after.

Fort Bragg, Polk, Lee, A.P. Hill, Gordon, Pickett, Rucker, Camp Beauregard...

I always think of Fort Hood, former home of the 2nd armored Hell on Wheels division

 

[unionblue]

I always think of Fort Hood, former home of the 2nd armored Hell on Wheels division

I was at Ft. Hood attending the NCO Academy there back in the 1980's. I hated the fort, not the person it was named after, because 55,000 men assigned there were in the middle of a "dry county."

A military man does not think of the historical figure his post, base, or station is named after. He's more concerned if his 1st Sergeant is a d**k, his Company Commander is a fool, or his Division General is a hard a** that calls for Field Training Exercises (FTXs) over the holidays or weekends.

At Ft. Bliss, TX, I had all three and couldn't wait to get assigned overseas again. I find it so amusing that some here have to get upset over a fort's name when the name is the furthest thing from the soldier's mind who is stationed there. I am absolutely sure it is the exact same thing for a sailor on a ship or an airman on a base.

Ya' all have fun playing.

Unionblue

 

[Drew]

Thanks for your response. I will appreciate your help in correcting my statement.

Off the top of my head, 20th century presidents descended from Confederates:

1) Woodrow Wilson

2) Harry S Truman (whose mother flat out refused to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom at the White House)

3) Lyndon Baines Johnson

4) James Earl Carter (IIRC, his great grandfather and brothers were artillerists at Gettysburg)

5) William Jefferson Clinton

Again, off the top of my head, the only 20th century president descended from a Union Soldier was Richard Milhouse Nixon, whose great grandfather was killed at the Battle of Gettysburg and is buried there. It's possible there are more Civil War descendants among 20th century presidents.

 

[7th Mississippi Infantry]

The launching of the submarine Robert E. Lee SSBN-601 sliding into the James River.

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Great post Stiles !

I wasn't aware that the United States Navy named our subs after Confederate Generals.

I thought all USN submarines were named for fish.

 

[Schwallanscher]

Great post Stiles !

I wasn't aware that the United States Navy named our subs after Confederate Generals.

I thought all USN submarines were named after fish.

especially the ohio class boomers are named after the ohio fish that's, as to be expected, some sort of saltwater fish - a rather big sort of saltwater fish

... and don't forget ssn-23

 

[7th Mississippi Infantry]

Thanks for the reminder about the name Jimmy Carter.

 

[Schwallanscher]

there's also the los-angeles-fish class of fast attack submarines, uss dallas-fish being the most important one (read prof tom clancy as a source for that)

 

[Schwallanscher]

Thanks for the reminder about the name Jimmy Carter.

come on, all subs named for presidents are named for bubbleheads, whereas only one president your navy named a flatdeck for was a naval aviator (cvn-78)