Springfield 1863 trapdoor conversion help

sh71382

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Hello everyone first I just want to thank the group for letting me join and post!

I purchased my first civil war rifle/musket at auction via online bidding. Being that it was through pictures only versus I kept to a reasonable amount especially since I've only begun to learn about them. Long story short is it is now in my possession and regardless of my confusions I am still very happy with it, I just want to learn more about it so I know exactly what I have.

I've researched various forums, scoured over photos on those forums and while I have some questions answered a few more popped up. Here is what I believe to be a fact. It is a Springfield 1863 per lock plate markings, appears to be a type I model, it is a two band style with clamp style barrel bands and springs.

Here are my confusions, I know there are several versions and variants over the evolution of the Springfield trapdoor within the conversions of civil war muskets. The trapdoor is marked with the year 1870, so initially I thought it was a later conversion but to my research (which I freely admit in my inexperience may be wrong) it shares very few similarities with the 1870 conversion photos and information I located, such as barrel length, bands, rear sight positioning and cartouche markings. It seems to share similarities with very early conversions, as well as artilery short model conversions. It sports what I believe to be a sleeved 30 inch barrel, which is one of my main hang up points as is the fact it has only two oval clamp style bands with no evidence of ever having a 3rd band. The serial number stamped on the new Breech mechanism matches the one stamped on the barrel half an inch away. So again perhaps my extreme infancy in weaponry is just not leading me to the right conclusion or maybe I do have a strange combination of parts that make up this rifle.

I would very much appreciate the thoughts and expertise of the more seasoned and knowledgeable people that are here so I can both learn and discover more about my very first treasure whether it turns out to be a standard run of the mill conversion or something more. I am including several pictures, I hope I covered all the areas that would be of importance based on other posts I have seen. Thanks again everyone.

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Welcome From THE Heart of Dixie. Very Nice 1863 Springfield with the spring loaded barrel band keepers I would say type II 1863 but there were so many of these converted in 1870 to a trapdoor its hard to keep up. Great 1863 US inspectors cartouch'e on the stock, is there a US stamped on the butt plate?
 
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Welcome From THE Heart of Dixie. Very Nice 1863 Springfield with the sprongloaded barrel band keepers I would say type II 1863 but there were so many of these converted in 1870 to a trapdoor its hard to keep up. Great 1863 US inspectors cartouch'e on the stock, is there a US stamped on the butt plate?

Thank you very much, ucvrelics, yes it does have US on the butt plate I just didn't think to photograph it.
 
Right as rain, Very nice CW musket converted to 1870 technology.
 
Right as rain, Very nice CW musket converted to 1870 technology.
Do you think it's a first or second version conversion? It appears to have the 1868 ramrod. Also any explanation why the barrel is 2.5 inches shorter than the stated length, or was there some variation even among the standards back then? Final question, my final price including premium, shipping etc came out to about $930 and it came with a bayonet, did I do decently for my first major purchase? Thanks again for all the help!
 
The Sprinfield is aa 3rd conversion known as the model 1868, third conversion in .50-70. The first and 2nd models used the original CW barrrel, the 3rd had a new barrel fitted, The first was a .58 rim fire, the 2nd was .50-70 with a sleeve brazed in the original CW barrel to bring it down to a .50.
 

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